nick007
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DonQuoteme
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19 Jun 2012, 3:51 am
Bun wrote:
Pileo wrote:
From my basic understanding:
Attraction is surprisingly biological. Your bodies goal, no matter your personal goal is, is to have strong and healthy children. When searching for a mate, your body is looking for someone that compliments you genetically and immune system-ly (could not think of a word). Everyone has their own signature smells and pheromones that they produce to accomplish this. Males and females, of course, produce different pheromones and smells due their sex hormones. In homosexuals, their bodies like smells and pheromones from the same sex (for the most part). Just like everything else, there are exceptions to the rules. It is possible to make changes to the brain through the epigenome and nurture. How big the changes and which makes the changes, epigenome or nuture, is up for the debate. For all we know, the epigenome is the tool nurture uses to make changes.
Personally, I don't think the changes can be that big if it's just nurture and there's no traumatic event. People have tried to nurture homosexuals out of homosexuality for centuries. You'd think it work the other way too.
Mind you, this is "find a mate" attraction and not "what you're willing to have sexual relations with". The porn industry is proof enough that people will 'do' anything and anyone.
Also, just because we don't have a genetic link now, doesn't mean we won't. There are thousands of genes to figure out and we only just begun. Not to mention it's much more important to find genes of genetic diseases than it is to find the "Gay Gene(s)".
Attraction is surprisingly biological. Your bodies goal, no matter your personal goal is, is to have strong and healthy children. When searching for a mate, your body is looking for someone that compliments you genetically and immune system-ly (could not think of a word). Everyone has their own signature smells and pheromones that they produce to accomplish this. Males and females, of course, produce different pheromones and smells due their sex hormones. In homosexuals, their bodies like smells and pheromones from the same sex (for the most part). Just like everything else, there are exceptions to the rules. It is possible to make changes to the brain through the epigenome and nurture. How big the changes and which makes the changes, epigenome or nuture, is up for the debate. For all we know, the epigenome is the tool nurture uses to make changes.
Personally, I don't think the changes can be that big if it's just nurture and there's no traumatic event. People have tried to nurture homosexuals out of homosexuality for centuries. You'd think it work the other way too.
Mind you, this is "find a mate" attraction and not "what you're willing to have sexual relations with". The porn industry is proof enough that people will 'do' anything and anyone.
Also, just because we don't have a genetic link now, doesn't mean we won't. There are thousands of genes to figure out and we only just begun. Not to mention it's much more important to find genes of genetic diseases than it is to find the "Gay Gene(s)".You might call me an idiot inwardly while reading my question, but what about the sexual attractions of people who can't smell?...
I could be wrong, but I believe the pheromones may well act at a subconscious level, and would not necessarily require the "conscious" sense of smell to operate. This sounds counter-intuitive, of course, but it depends at what point the sense of smell is "interrupted". The brain may still recognise and respond to the chemical reaction caused by a pheromone, whilst the breakdown in the signal that allows us to consciously interpret the pheromone as a smell may be incidental. Remember, subconscious vs conscious control within our brain is somewhere in the ratio 95:5.
DonQuoteme
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19 Jul 2012, 11:20 am
bettalove wrote:
nick007 wrote:
Women dated or met lots of loser moronic guys who weren't sensitive like other women are
I have to disagree. I've been a lesbian my entire life. I've only dated women, and later only done sexual acts with women since the young age of twelve.
I tell people that my sexuality is like going to an art museum. I can admire the Rembrandt , Van Gogh, Warhol, and Pollock, but only want to take a Rembrandt print home with me.
i actually agree with both of you :>|
l am lot like you in this way though. If when you say "admire" you don't mean "attracted to". l have really never been physically attracted to a man but the admiration has been there, that is what caused me to enter hetero relationships TRULY believing that l could become attached to men because l liked them so much.
But l only feel the real and instantaneous attraction for women, and personality only plays a small role whereas for men it was the only thing that made them attractive to me, and l still didn't like kissing them.
@Nick l agree with you there too. l prefer to dismiss the simple explanation of homosexuality, especially in the case of females. *shrug* if l am betraying the community l really don't care, it is caused by bad relationships(not necessarily abusive) and overall bad experiences with men in adulthood for some women. Can l prove that? no, but it's easy to see through a facade and when many people can see the same thing that l do , l chose to acknowledge it's presence.
But, it is largely genetic for some of us. l just keep my out for women who l feel are authentic. And l would even date a bisexual woman, i'm not concerned that a women is also into men if she is also truly and SEXUALLY attracted to women
