Damnit, Minnesota! >.<

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As you may or may not already be aware, Minnesota voters will decide on whether or not to constitutionally ban same-sex marriage during the 2012 election. If this Star Tribune poll is in any way reliable, then, as of now, a plurality (48%) of respondents are in favor of such an amendment, and 43% are opposed.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/11/08/363746/minnesota-voters-split-on-anti-gay-marriage-amendment/

Which is kind of confusing, given that previous polls have indicated a majority being opposed to such an amendment. I might be jumping to conclusions, since the vote isn't for another year, but I am very disheartened by all this. Why the f**k is this still happening in 2012? Furthermore, Minnesota shares a border with a country that has had legalized same-sex marriage for six years. This may sound naive of me, but I figured that the mindset of Minnesotans wouldn't be much different from the Canadians directly across the border. How the hell can people's mindset be so drastically different just across border lines?

Seriously, I f*****g hate it when this s**t happens, and I hate the fact that this s**t is still allowed to happen. Whenever it does, it really makes me feel like a disvalued and even despised citizen of this country just because of my sexual orientation.

I don't know much about Minnesota, and I don't know the first thing about the tribune in question, but it may be a factor to take into account who reads it. It's not impossible that the readers of a certain newspaper's website don't accurately represent the entire population of the state.

Last edited by Vince on 08 Nov 2011, 5:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I also find it ironic that Minnesota also has a lot of Swedish heritage--another country that has legalized same-sex marriage.

I guess I'm disappointed but not surprised. Very little that Americans (as a collective group, not individuals) do or say can surprise me, except in the rare occasions that I actually agree with them. But really, if they keep this sort of thing up it won't be long before the rest of the Western world sees them as totally backwards.

I lived in Minnesota for a year, and I was expecting a liberal mecca based on what I'd heard about it. And it mostly was, but only because I was living in Minneapolis. I discovered that the liberals are pretty much confined to the Twin Cities. Venturing out to the suburbs, people get shockingly right-wing. You can't get on a bus without encountering someone who went to the Bill O'Reilly School of Political Debate, obnoxiously ranting and shouting about how gays, unions, Democrats, etc. are ruining the country, and there were Bush/Cheney 04 posters, stickers, and billboards plastered to everything.

Like all controversial subjects that touch on individual freedom, policy is going to be made by one, and only one branch of the government: The Supreme Court.

At some point states are going to have to come to grips with "full faith and credit." If states are compelled to recognize a Delaware incorporation, a Nevada divorce or an Oklahoma adoption, then it is not a long judicial trip for them to be compelled to recognize a Massachusetts marriage.

So long as one state provides for same sex marriage, the courts will be presented with this issue. Now it may be that there will be a few Dredd Scott decisions along the way, but the path to general, nationwide, constitutionally imposed recognition is inevitable.

The Star Tribune did a phone interview of about 800 people statewide and got these results. Strangely, though, just a few months ago another similar poll they conducted resulted in - I think - 55% opposed to such an amendment.



I'm pretty sure the rest of the Western world already does see the United States as backwards.

True. Even my more conservative (at least fiscally) Dad has been known to say "The US is an f***ed up country." But expect it to get worse. Mind you, with the Conservatives in power here in Canada I worry that we'll end up nearly as backwards as you guys.

As a Swedenite, I can confirm this. We do appreciate your export of entertainments and sodas (though we tend to put sugar in them instead of that disgusting corn syrup stuff you people put in everything), but there's certainly a thing of "what the crap are they doing?" when it comes to politics and religion (and the disturbing amounts of intermingling thereof).

As a Swedenite, I can confirm this. We do appreciate your export of entertainments and sodas (though we tend to put sugar in them instead of that disgusting corn syrup stuff you people put in everything), but there's certainly a thing of "what the crap are they doing?" when it comes to politics and religion (and the disturbing amounts of intermingling thereof).

Vince nailed it.

I think that is an abuse of the power to amend constitutions.