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15 Jun 2014, 9:12 am

In my experience, there are many instruments that are easy to get a decent sound out of, but difficult to really master. Hypothetically, you can call guitar easy because you can play the some of the chords easily, maybe a song or two, but you may still not have explored the full potential of the guitar; scales, barre chords, every solo you can think of, and so on. Same with drumming; If you can keep a beat, you can play the drums. If you can do some more complex rudiments while keeping a beat, you can play the drums pretty well. If you are Animal from the Muppets, you're awesome at drums no matter if you keep a beat or not ;D

I still really admire people who can get decent sounds out of a western concert flute, mostly because I'm really bad at it.



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15 Jun 2014, 5:39 pm

Piano/Keyboard based instruments. Think at school they overcomplicated it, if they had just said, just play the white keys, press three notes with one white key between each note, move that pattern around, there you have all the chords of C major and therefore A minor, and any other white note will sound ok played on top, can go a long way just from that.

I find mandolin the easiest string instrument, its tuning is consistent compared to guitars with the pesky b string, so it is more logical and everything repeats itself.



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10 Aug 2014, 5:36 pm

Tamborine?



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11 Aug 2014, 11:52 am

LonelyJar wrote:
What musical instruments do non-musicians think are the easiest to play, besides the triangle, kazoo, and whistle?


The Banjo. Because it already has an open tuning, it's hard to not sound good.



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15 Aug 2014, 12:07 am

Ableton Live, or can I not consider that an instrument?



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25 Aug 2014, 11:44 pm

Cymbals?



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27 Aug 2014, 2:27 am

LonelyJar wrote:
Tamborine?

I used to think that until I actually tried to play a real tambourine. It was harder than I expected.


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27 Aug 2014, 2:56 am

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as someone who has played both, i can say that the trumpet i easier than the violin.


At a college level or beyond? It is by no means easy to play music like Wagner, Bach's Brandenburg concertos, or soloist pieces like trumpet concertos. One technique that is particularly hard, just as hard as any technique for the violin, is the technique of double tonguing notes in order to play fast notes without legato (slurring notes together): you alternate between articulating a note with the tip of your tongue and further back on your tongue, it helps at first to think of it like your are forming a "t" and then a "g". Not to mention that it is very hard to develop the kind of embouchure needed to play music like Bach or Wagner. Also, violinists don't have to drastically increase their lung capacity in order to play long passages without breathing. Trumpet players playing at the highest level often have to cultivate a lung capacity greater than opera singers.

Regarding embouchure, each person playing a brass instrument has to intuitively figure out his or her own anatomy without much help in the way of instruction as opposed to violin students who should know exactly what it is they need to do and exactly how it should feel if their instructor is good. No matter how good a brass player's instructor is in the end he/she ultimately has to figure out most everything beyond the basics through intuition and practice.

From the wiki page of embouchure:

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Even today, many brass pedagogues take a rigid approach to teaching how a brass player's embouchure should function. Many of these authors also disagree with each other regarding which technique is correct. Research suggests efficient brass embouchures depend on the player using the method that suits that player's particular anatomy (see below). Individual differences in dental structure, lip shape and size, jaw shape and the degree of jaw malocclusion, and other anatomical factors will affect whether a particular embouchure technique will be effective or not.

In 1962, Philip Farkas hypothesized that the air stream traveling through the lip aperture should be directed straight down the shank of the mouthpiece. He believed that it would be illogical to "violently deflect" the air stream downward at the point of where the air moves past the lips. In this text, Farkas also recommends that the lower jaw be protruded so that the upper and lower teeth are aligned.

In 1970, Farkas published a second text which contradicted his earlier writing. Out of 40 subjects, Farkas showed that 39 subjects directed the air downward to varying degrees and 1 subject directed the air in an upward direction at various degrees. The lower jaw position seen in these photographs show more variation from his earlier text as well.

This supports what was written by trombonist and brass pedagogue Donald S. Reinhardt in 1942. In 1972, Reinhardt described and labeled different embouchure patterns according to such characteristics as mouthpiece placement and the general direction of the air stream as it travels past the lips. According to this later text, players who place the mouthpiece higher on the lips, so that more upper lip is inside the mouthpiece, will direct the air downwards to varying degrees while playing. Performers who place the mouthpiece lower, so that more lower lip is inside the mouthpiece, will direct the air to varying degrees in an upward manner. In order for the performer to be successful, the air stream direction and mouthpiece placement need to be personalized based on individual anatomical differences. Lloyd Leno confirmed the existence of both upstream and downstream embouchures.

More controversial was Reinhardt's description and recommendations regarding a phenomenon he termed a "pivot". According to Reinhardt, a successful brass embouchure depends on a motion wherein the performer moves both the mouthpiece and lips as a single unit along the teeth in an upward and downward direction. As the performer ascends in pitch, he or she will either move the lips and mouthpiece together slightly up towards the nose or pull them down together slightly towards the chin, and use the opposite motion to descend in pitch. Whether the player uses one general pivot direction or the other, and the degree to which the motion is performed, depends on the performer's anatomical features and stage of development. The placement of the mouthpiece upon the lips doesn't change, but rather the relationship of the rim and lips to the teeth. While the angle of the instrument may change as this motion follows the shape of the teeth and placement of the jaw, contrary to what many brass performers and teachers believe, the angle of the instrument does not actually constitute the motion Reinhardt advised as a pivot.

Later research supports Reinhardt's claim that this motion exists and might be advisable for brass performers to adopt. John Froelich describes how mouthpiece pressure towards the lips (vertical forces) and shear pressure (horizontal forces) functioned in three test groups, student trombonists, professional trombonists, and professional symphonic trombonists. Froelich noted that the symphonic trombonists used the least amount of both direct and shear forces and recommends this model be followed. Other research notes that virtually all brass performers rely upon the upward and downward embouchure motion. Other authors and pedagogues remain skeptical about the necessity of this motion, but scientific evidence supporting this view has not been sufficiently developed at this time to support this view.

Some noted brass pedagogues prefer to instruct the use of the embouchure from a less analytical point of view. Arnold Jacobs, a tubist and well-regarded brass teacher, believed that it was best for the student to focus on his or her use of the air and musical expression to allow the embouchure to develop naturally on its own. Other instructors, such as Carmine Caruso, believed that the brass player's embouchure could best be developed through coordination exercises and drills that bring all the muscles into balance that focus the student's attention on his or her time perception. Still other authors who have differing approaches to embouchure development include Louis Maggio, Jeff Smiley, and Jerome Callet.


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27 Aug 2014, 3:16 am

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Some would consider the clarinet, until they realize how screwed up you must be in order to play it. First, the entire weight of the instrument comes down on your right thumb. Second, the weakest finger on both hands, the pinkie, controls the stiffest levers on the horn. Third, the instrument is acoustically compromised. The air column of the instrument is a cylinder, instead of a cone, which makes it acoustically unstable. For example, if you play a middle c on a sex, a flute, an oboe, or a bassoon, and you open the register key, that note becomes a c one octave higher. Do the same on the clarinet, and that same middle c becomes a g on top of the treble clef. Why? The air column is a cylinder on the clarinet, while the other instruments listed, the air column is a cone. Finally, given the acoustic instability of a cylindrical air column, many compromises had to be made on the placement of tone holes on the clarinet, which means it can never be perfectly played in tune with the rest of the band or orchestra.

These are all problems HOW, exactly? Learn to voice upper-register notes in the mouth cavity and the throat and intonation is as flexible as a trombone (see "Rhapsody in Blue," any Dixieland player). I can do portamentos as wide as a perfect 5th in some places. Simple solution to intonation problems: Tune slightly sharp and/or use a harder reed. Adjust voicing to bend notes down as you go. And, come on guys, this is the 21st century. Catch up with the rest of the orchestra and start using vibrato! Incidentally, I typically use lip vibrato and adjust intonation in the throat. Technically you could do both in the throat, but I also like the timbre variation you get when changing pressure on the reed. Just my $.02.


Meh, I'm an HIP proponent myself and often enjoy recordings with less vibrato (of course I very much appreciate both schools of thought and would listen to Feinberg play Bach's WTC just as often as I'd listen to it on the harpsichord). Vibrato muddles up harmonic and contrapuntal texture, especially in a large ensemble like an orchestra. You'd think you were practically listening to a different piece if you sat down and compared Suzuki's performances of Bach's St. John Passion and Karl Richter's performances.

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31 Aug 2014, 10:23 pm

Maracas and castanets?



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01 Sep 2014, 12:34 am

That's probably a tough question to answer, just because it will depend on the person I think. I've played piano most of my life, I played French Horn in high school and in a local orchestra at that time, and I played a little bit of classical guitar in high school and a bit of acoustic guitar on my own and for me the hardest was guitar, but I'm not sure that a lot of people would agree that guitar is the hardest of those 3. I have piano hands so I found it difficult trying to adjust to a guitar. lol French Horn is often thought of as a difficult instrument to learn (at least in comparison to other brass instruments), but I progressed much farther with my french horn and piano than I ever did with a guitar, even though I have an apartment full of guitars (that I can't really play LOL).


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