Groups that need to gain mainstream sucess

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ghotistix
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18 Dec 2005, 12:51 am

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Jandek. He's also possibly one of us.

Google him, the story is fascinating.

Jandek is indeed a fascinating and possibly aspie character. It's too bad his songs are so cruddy -- genuine recluses are so refreshing in the music industry.



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24 Dec 2005, 12:24 am

ghotistix wrote:
Fogman wrote:
Jandek. He's also possibly one of us.

Google him, the story is fascinating.

Jandek is indeed a fascinating and possibly aspie character. It's too bad his songs are so cruddy -- genuine recluses are so refreshing in the music industry.


Having lived in Houston for over a decade and well versed in Jandek fact, fiction and lore, I'd say he's far more likely a Schizoid Personality than an Aspie. Just because someone's weird and reclusive doesn't mean they're an Aspie. That kind of reasoning has led people to think Wacko Jacko's an Aspie when it's obvious from an Aspie's point of view that he's not.



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27 Dec 2005, 3:17 am

I also think the world would be a much better place if The Residents were much more appreciated by the greater parts of society.


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22 Jan 2006, 7:21 pm

If metal went main stram all hell will break loose in radio stations most of them wont even bother blocking swear words out because it will be to hard and u will block out all the cool bits of the song out and if metal went mainsteam which should be never pearents will ring up tv stations asking why there daughter is watching a vedio with people chained to walls with blood comming from the mouth playing a awsome guitar that i want thats why metal couldent be main steam and making generations listening to PG rated crap that thereve been brain washed to like from MTV and other crappy stations.



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23 Jan 2006, 3:38 am

But most Metal is fairly main stream. In other words if your going to ask your average consumer of contempary popular music what metal is and whether they could name a metal band most would be able to answer it.

Metal was fairly popular during the 1980s', but what I'm really talking about is individual groups not genres.



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23 Jan 2006, 5:21 am

In my opinion, every single band actually releasing cd's/records and playing gigs are commercial.
Maybe it's the Aspie in me talking, but I don't see why bands should be rediculed and hated for actually having a breakthrough and making it big! It seems to me that it is the people who are unsuccessful who are complaining!
I'm currently learning myself how to play "The Unforgiven" on bass. This is my absolute favourite Metallica song ("The thing that should not be" is a good second) and it's like the lyrics are about my life!
What songs mean to people are the meaning of music, not how much success a band has!



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in my opinion
mainstream sucks i would HATE IT if any of my fav bands go mainstream and so many preps and other poser think their fans would like them and if they play a good song theyll keep playing it until im sick of it


KEEP MUSIC UNDERGROUND!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
ATLEAST KEEP METAL UNDERGROUND!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

DEATH TO MTV
DEATH TO VH1
DEATH TO FUSE

some of you may say that metallica is mainstream and yes they are but hearing enter sandman about 7 times in 2 weeks is annoying and people saying that the black album is their greatest album MAKES ME SICK!! !! !! !!
MASTER OF PUPPETS IS THEIR GREATEST no offensive sandman is a good song and the black album is a good album but i stand by my word



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23 Jan 2006, 5:24 am

Believe me, as soon as the money came rolling in, you'd quickly loose that principle, trust me.


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if my band got mainstream suckssess I WOULD JUST DIE out of being something i dont want to be



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21 Aug 2009, 6:12 am

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it's ironic because they are pretty mainstream...?

and Viking, are you saying that would stop listning to even your favorite bands if they went mainstream? that's pretty sad dude. i mean i can understand if they change their sound to fit a more popular audience, but there's no need to act like a metal troll here.


THATS NOT WHAT I SAID

I SAID THAT I HATE HEARING A SONG GETTING PLAYED ON THE RADIO ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES.
I ALSO SAID I HATE POSERS WHO THINK THEY ARE FANS JUST BEACAUSE THEY LIKE ALL THE HITS FOR EXAMPLE METALLICA: PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE FANS JUST BECAUSE THEY LIKE ENTER SANDMAN BUT I BET THEY NEVER HERD PHANTOM LORD OR LEPER MESSIAH.

PLUS I THINK METAL SHOULD BE UNDERGROND AND NOT MAINSTREAM

I LIKE MAINSTREAM METAL BANDS LIKE

BLACK SABBATH
IRON MAIDEN
JUDAS PRIEST
METALLICA
ETC. ETC.

BUT I WISH THEY WERE ALL WERE UNDERGROND
SO THERE WOULDNT BE ANY POSERS LISTENING TO THEM AND I DONT GET TIRED OF THEM THATS WHY I DONT LISTEN TO THE RADIO ANYMORE [/b]


I strongly agree. What these people who oppose this idea don't see is just how badly posers maim the feel of good music. Some of these people believe it's all simple and that there are no posers, just people who listen to it too. What they don't understand is that metal is not just a form of music, it's a lifestyle, an aggressive, nihilistic, rebellious lifestyle. And we look down upon those who would try to change it and weaken it and destroy it. In order to keep something like metal strong is has to remain pure. Their argument against this is that lack of mixing or outside influence keeps a thing from getting strong, but what they don't see is that metal is strongest when pure, and this has been proven, both you and I know this.

The reason they criticize us for being so critical about music is because they're not metalheads, not as we are. They don't breathe it, they don't feel it as we do, it does not run in their veins. Therefore they couldn't understand.

Here is a quote addressing black metal, but can be applied to all real metal. I feel it is called for here.

"We stand against everything that is alien to the true essence of Black Metal. Idiocy, ignorance, tolerance, weakness and all the pathetic human values the trendy shit-bands, claiming to play "Black Metal" preach.

f**k off with your cheap wanna-be rock star and worthless gothic poser "Satanist" ideals and values. You are just fools, trying to cash in and make easy fame with things you never even experienced nor stood for!! ! You know who they are. Those who sign with jewish money-making labels just to get their bastard asses advertised in magazines and marketed along with the most ridiculous trendy crap to the brainless masses. Those who try to pose like the traitor bands that "succeeded", and turn their backs on all the things Black Metal was meant to be about. Those who are willing to make Black Metal a f*****g joke and something "nice", "acceptable" and something that can be classified as "good music". Black Metal is about war and hate. The war to annihilate and exterminate those who seek the ruin of Black Metal with their ignorant deeds, and the everburning torch of hate that gives us the will to destroy them."

- Satanic Warmaster



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21 Aug 2009, 11:41 am

For the OP - what you want to do (as far as I can tell) is to be an agent...;) A lot of the work is done for you already.

Another position is what's called A&R (Artist and Repertoire), who work for record companies (as they're still quaintly known...;) These are the guys that get paid to actually go listen to bands, and hook them up with labels. There may not be major labels close by (closest to me is Mammoth, about 40 miles from here), but there's independent labels in any decent-sized burg...

Fan sites can help; bands like them.

Now - we've got a 2-edged sword here. It's always been true that there's a type of fan who loves the idea that no one has heard of their 'fave' artist, and wail and gnash teeth when they're discovered. That's the artist side.

However, for those who do this for a living, being a starving artist is often a lot more pain and frustration than they'd want. The more people you can reach, the more you get paid, and the sooner you can get back to financial solvency (music is not the 70s 'throw money at them' ideal; most contracts consist of loaning money to the band, and they have to pay that back.. But no one wants to go through life eating Snack Ramen (Breakfast of Thespians...;)

I could do with some more 'Hurry up Fashion'...;) But I've been listening to them since about '83...;)



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21 Aug 2009, 3:19 pm

Fogman wrote:
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Rammstein or Depeche Mode are hardly underground because they're quite established. Groups like Shellac should be heard in the mainstream.


I'm getting the impression that the UK music scene completely trumps the one here, I should find a way to hear the Top 40 over there just for comparison. Rammstein is fairly popular amongst people I know, but is never on the radio; and hardly anyone's heard of Dpeche Mode.


Actually, Shellac is a band from Chicago. It's been the ongoing project of Music Producer Steve Albini since Big Black disbanded @ 1988-89.

The UK music market is a bit differant than the one here in the US as trends get noticed much faster, and therefore become more 'mainstream' than they do here due to the fact that it's a much smaller country than the US.


Don't forget the short lived Albini project Rapeman, between Big Black and Shellac (kind of..) :lol:


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