Does the music we listen to affect our speech patterns?

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30 Jan 2011, 2:51 pm

Does the music that we listen to affect our speech patterns?
Can the rhythm and structure of music affect our perception of time?


Classical music flows like a river meandering through the countryside. Tempo and volume are fluid. The music tells a story: it's a linear journey. There are repeating patterns, but these aren't strict and there's variations on the main theme. The music evolves organically.

A relative and some older people that I've known talk like this. Their ideas evolve in an organic linear way as they talk. Their speech varies and they don't repeat themselves often. They'd say:

First of all we'll...
Then onto...
This meant that...
So finally...


The music that I usually listen to is loop based. It's essentially the same moment repeating over and over again like a crank pin rotating on the wheel of a steam locomotive. The music is moving forward fast along a fixed track. The concept of time is mechanical and cyclical. The same electric riffs, beats or baselines repeat over and over. The music is grooving in the moment, essentially jogging steadily on the spot while the background
moves relative to the moment. Time loops just like the background looping in a platform video game. It's living second by second within the moment. It's about the now. It's time compression. A long length of time is like one moment happening again and again. Maybe this is why some people find video games addictive. The repetitive moment is trance inducing: one hour can seem like one moment. Perhaps this is why people can dance to music like this for a long time. They flow with the eternal moment until the cycle fades out completely.


People have commented that I often repeat myself when I talk, that I often say the same phrases over and over, and go back over the same ideas. I also repeat the question "Do you get me?" in between ideas.

People such as my relative and others have found that irritating and confusing.
Interestingly, They hate looping music with a passion. They say that it's repetitive, irritating and boring.

Perhaps they are in a different musical "time zone" to the one that I inhabit.
Maybe their musical "clocks" are set differently to and are completely different models from mine?
Could it be that their internal concepts of time are different from mine?
Could this be the root of some of my communication difficulties?
There's difficulty syncing up with the rhythms and timing of their speech, because these are radically different from mine. There are stumbles and awkward moments: cultural clashes.


Is music used for social/cultural entrainment?
Is this why people who like different styles or bands find it difficult to talk to and relate with each other?
Or perhaps why some parents can't understand their teenagers?

What about teachers who have different musical tastes from their students?
Does the teacher's musical preference affect his/her teaching style and delivery?
If musical preferences clash, do communication styles also clash?


Do people who listen to and produce looping music have speech patterns that also loop?
Do these people have a cyclical "in the moment" concept of time?



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30 Jan 2011, 3:50 pm

Hey I like your post. I was brought up (=studied) classical music, but search my way into jazz recently, which is a struggle, but I love it and such an excellent left-brain - right-brain stitcher, if i explain myself well. That comes through the study of harmony (which comes to me anything but like "plug-and-play"). The rhythm imposes itself, because you know "it doesn't mean a thing, if it aint got that swing". So here we're at what you say about loops: Groove! All that lighter or heavier recurrent beat is for getting us "grounded". Different people have different needs in their development and each do like what meets their needs -or does that sound too simplistic? I've found, that indeed the floating of classical music doesn't aide the feel for rhythm as much as repetitive beats, but one can groove hard even through classical music (when there is no apparent beat going on), after getting grounded well in sweat of good rhythm. Although by "classical" you probably mean music from the romantic period (later 19th) and 20th century. Earlier music is more groovy.
Anyway I share the need for some sort of foot-stomping.
If you repeat verbal phrases I guess that's what U do. You're kind a beatboxing. You repeat the material like a ruminant until penetrating it. Not all animals need to do that.
Of course music is for social/cultural entrainment, but I'd add engagement & expression: we wanna tell sooner or later and everybody has a different story.



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30 Jan 2011, 5:07 pm

Interesting post AmberEyes.

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Is music used for social/cultural entrainment?


Possibly. As history moves on, popular music is literally becoming just noise.

What that says about where society is heading, I wouldn't like to say. :lol:


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31 Jan 2011, 1:18 am

Moog wrote:
Interesting post AmberEyes.

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Is music used for social/cultural entrainment?


Possibly. As history moves on, popular music is literally becoming just noise.

What that says about where society is heading, I wouldn't like to say. :lol:



Or becoming more loopy and rhythmic?

It's "The Song that doesn't end."

It's "I know a song that'll get on your nerves...and this is how it goes. I know a song..."

Perhaps that's why some people get irritated with loopy pop music "earworms".

Maybe that's what I sound like every time I open my mouth.
No wonder I drove people "up the wall".

I was feeling depressed once and someone said to me that I could "no longer hear the carousel music in my head". Utterly weird. I don't think that he was kidding 8O. He said that if I could hear the carousel music going round, I'd be happier again.

It's the musical equivalent of a hypnodisc.

I've noticed that many TV theme songs are loop based.
Also video game music.

These are "alternate realities".
Maybe the function of looping music is to create a warp.
A musical "wormhole" that transports the viewer to another reality.
Time becomes "compressed" as the same musical moment is repeated over and over again. All moments become the present moment.



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31 Jan 2011, 1:43 am

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Hey I like your post. I was brought up (=studied) classical music, but search my way into jazz recently, which is a struggle, but I love it and such an excellent left-brain - right-brain stitcher, if i explain myself well. That comes through the study of harmony (which comes to me anything but like "plug-and-play"). The rhythm imposes itself, because you know "it doesn't mean a thing, if it aint got that swing". So here we're at what you say about loops: Groove! All that lighter or heavier recurrent beat is for getting us "grounded". Different people have different needs in their development and each do like what meets their needs -or does that sound too simplistic? I've found, that indeed the floating of classical music doesn't aide the feel for rhythm as much as repetitive beats, but one can groove hard even through classical music (when there is no apparent beat going on), after getting grounded well in sweat of good rhythm. Although by "classical" you probably mean music from the romantic period (later 19th) and 20th century. Earlier music is more groovy.

Anyway I share the need for some sort of foot-stomping.
If you repeat verbal phrases I guess that's what U do. You're kind a beatboxing. You repeat the material like a ruminant until penetrating it. Not all animals need to do that.
Of course music is for social/cultural entrainment, but I'd add engagement & expression: we wanna tell sooner or later and everybody has a different story.



Yes, the Romantic period, the gentler music.

It's the modern jazz, rock and funk that is more repetitive, drum based and has stricter rhythms.

Is the function to sync people up, like a football chant?

What if, though mass communication and media, you become musically entrained to a culture that's radically different from the one in your home country?



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31 Jan 2011, 4:29 am

In my case I certainly hope not. I listen to a lot of songs that are loaded with slang, are in mangled English (due to the singers not having English as a native language) or otherwise just plain don't make sense.



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31 Jan 2011, 7:12 am

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Hey I like your post. I was brought up (=studied) classical music, but search my way into jazz recently, which is a struggle, but I love it and such an excellent left-brain - right-brain stitcher, if i explain myself well. That comes through the study of harmony (which comes to me anything but like "plug-and-play"). The rhythm imposes itself, because you know "it doesn't mean a thing, if it aint got that swing". So here we're at what you say about loops: Groove! All that lighter or heavier recurrent beat is for getting us "grounded". Different people have different needs in their development and each do like what meets their needs -or does that sound too simplistic? I've found, that indeed the floating of classical music doesn't aide the feel for rhythm as much as repetitive beats, but one can groove hard even through classical music (when there is no apparent beat going on), after getting grounded well in sweat of good rhythm. Although by "classical" you probably mean music from the romantic period (later 19th) and 20th century. Earlier music is more groovy.

Anyway I share the need for some sort of foot-stomping.
If you repeat verbal phrases I guess that's what U do. You're kind a beatboxing. You repeat the material like a ruminant until penetrating it. Not all animals need to do that.
Of course music is for social/cultural entrainment, but I'd add engagement & expression: we wanna tell sooner or later and everybody has a different story.



Yes, the Romantic period, the gentler music.

It's the modern jazz, rock and funk that is more repetitive, drum based and has stricter rhythms.

Is the function to sync people up, like a football chant?

What if, though mass communication and media, you become musically entrained to a culture that's radically different from the one in your home country?


A shaman would beat a drum at a certain tempo to put a person undergoing a drug experience into a particular state.

I notice when a car is booming music in the street, I often begin to lock my steps in with the tempo of the rhythm.

Movies and TV manipulate us all the time through music. Fast, noisy music is a cue to get excited.

It's said that restaurants play music in the background to make people eat faster.

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In the mid-1980s, researchers at Fairfield University demonstrated that people increased their rate of chewing by almost a third when listening to faster, louder music, accelerating from 3.83 bites a minute to 4.4 bites a minute.


I notice that when I shop in a shop with loud, noisy music, I tend to make more impulsive, often bad decisions.

You might be interested in binaural beat technology, at least the concept. I've tried it a bit and not got enormous benefit out of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats

There's an idea in conspiracy circles that music is made tuned to 440hz rather than 432hz because it's deleterious to the human mind and body. Music warfare?

There's also the mythical brown note, 'a theoretical infrasonic frequency that would cause humans to lose control of their bowels due to resonance.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note

Lastly here's a video demonstrating cymatics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg


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31 Jan 2011, 10:30 am

AmberEyes wrote:

A relative and some older people that I've known talk like this. Their ideas evolve in an organic linear way as they talk. Their speech varies and they don't repeat themselves often. They'd say:

First of all we'll...
Then onto...
This meant that...
So finally...


This, my English teachers often encouraged their students to avoid repetition in their essays was never sure why. Even when it wasn't a repetition of thought but just of form(starting off a statement the same way you would another), I think I prefer their way now but it always annoyed me when they bugged me with this.



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31 Jan 2011, 10:49 am

ikorack wrote:
AmberEyes wrote:

A relative and some older people that I've known talk like this. Their ideas evolve in an organic linear way as they talk. Their speech varies and they don't repeat themselves often. They'd say:

First of all we'll...
Then onto...
This meant that...
So finally...


This, my English teachers often encouraged their students to avoid repetition in their essays was never sure why. Even when it wasn't a repetition of thought but just of form(starting off a statement the same way you would another), I think I prefer their way now but it always annoyed me when they bugged me with this.


One of the key components of learning is consciousness or awareness. If the mind tunes out, then learning won't occur. If your writing is too repetitive then that can create a disinterested stupor in the person reading, and they stop taking the material in. Same for speech. A good speaker will use varied dynamics of volume, speed and tone in order to make the material they are espousing more interesting. Naturally, any loopy, repetitive rhythm of any kind is something that the human mind eventually stops being aware of, it just disappears from awareness.


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31 Jan 2011, 11:01 am

Ah, but then why would looping music effect speech patterns in the same way as classical?(assuming his premise is correct)



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31 Jan 2011, 11:19 am

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Ah, but then why would looping music effect speech patterns in the same way as classical?(assuming his premise is correct)


I imagine they'd be very different.


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31 Jan 2011, 11:21 am

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Ah, but then why would looping music effect speech patterns in the same way as classical?(assuming his premise is correct)


I imagine they'd be very different.


Different how?



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01 Feb 2011, 11:21 am

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ikorack wrote:
Ah, but then why would looping music effect speech patterns in the same way as classical?(assuming his premise is correct)


I imagine they'd be very different.


Different how?


Well, like Amber posits, loopy music might lead to communication that is short and repetitive, perhaps with further ideas unfolding as evolutions on the basic theme, rather than unfurling forward.

A classical listener might have a more dynamic range, communicating linearly in time, but with a natural ebb and flow, rise and fall, and range of tonality.

I don't know though, this is not a scientific observation.


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