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17 Feb 2013, 5:51 am

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You can call it as foolish as you want, but it doesn't make a person bad for it.


I never stated it made a person bad, however it's good to open yourself up to different genders. Let's say if a nice Swedish woman with nice squat butt, hips and lower back hits on the OP, is the OP going to ignore her in favour of this preference? probably not.

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I can understand this well enough, but there's nothing shallow or narrow-minded about preferring or requiring a specific race at least from a purely physical standpoint. I don't see it any different from say...requiring that your women have to be active and do cardio. Are you not giving all those slobby women a fair chance?


The difference is I am giving them a chance to be compatible because they can change their lifestyles if they choose to, they can focus on aiming to have a diet similar to mine if they so desire. People can't change their skin colour and to favour one race is to discriminate other races whether it is white pride or black pride. England is a very liberal country and it's not uncommon for interracial dating, however it's good to keep in mind that England became a liberal country because people were more civilized to put differences aside.



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17 Feb 2013, 7:46 am

Maybe its due to the culture I come from but I have never understood the problem with this. Iersomally have a strong preference towards white women, both for physical and social reasons. I simply feel I connect better to their social norms than to lets say Hispanics or blacks. Does this make me a racist or something? Answer no, because racism is seen as having a dislike of or hate of a group. I don't dislike or hate a group, I imply have a preference of one over the others. And to be honest its something quite normal, we've all heard the term yellow fever in the past.



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17 Feb 2013, 7:57 am

I understand being attracted to a specific type of body/skin color. What I don't understand is refusing to give others a chance outside of what you'd normally consider attractive if you genuinely have feelings for the other party. I mean, it really doesn't seem like it should be a deal-breaker or anything. At the same time, sometimes it's those specific physical traits that allow those feelings to grow in the first place. It's all a big, complicated mess of chemicals and physiological/psychological states. I don't think there's a clear-cut, "correct" answer to this.


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17 Feb 2013, 7:59 am

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I understand being attracted to a specific type of body/skin color. What I don't understand is refusing to give others a chance outside of what you'd normally consider attractive if you genuinely have feelings for the other party. I mean, it really doesn't seem like it should be a deal-breaker or anything. At the same time, sometimes it's those specific physical traits that allow those feelings to grow in the first place. It's all a big, complicated mess of chemicals and physiological/psychological states. I don't think there's a clear-cut, "correct" answer to this.

true, but you said in another thread that you don't find really obese people attractive. would you give one of them a chance?


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17 Feb 2013, 7:59 am

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I understand being attracted to a specific type of body/skin color. What I don't understand is refusing to give others a chance outside of what you'd normally consider attractive if you genuinely have feelings for the other party. I mean, it really doesn't seem like it should be a deal-breaker or anything. At the same time, sometimes it's those specific physical traits that allow those feelings to grow in the first place. It's all a big, complicated mess of chemicals and physiological/psychological states. I don't think there's a clear-cut, "correct" answer to this.

Exactly, there isn't a correct answer to it. The most if only thing you can do is worry about your own wants and those of your partner or hopeful partner for compatability



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17 Feb 2013, 8:00 am

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OP, let me do this the easy way for you:

You're never allowed to like a specific subset of women, ever, otherwise women will get very pissed off, as evidenced by this thread. Unless you love a woman 100% for her personality only, you're a horrible person that objectifies women. Also, don't refer to them as females as that'll also twist their panties into a knot that would make any boyscout or sailor green with envy.

Just roll with it, mate.

Thank you so much for articulating what I believe, Shau. I'm getting really f*****g sick of this knee-jerk politically correct attitude that vilifies physical preferences. The way I see it, people should date whomever they find physically attractive. If the women the OP and I fancy happen to share certain physical features, so be it. Liking black women is little different from liking blondes, thin women, or BBWs, or at least it would be if Euro-American society didn't have a long and ongoing history of denigrating and oppressing African people. If anyone needs to reexamine their racial attitudes in this thread, it's the people giving the OP hell.

And please don't give me the "personality is all that matters" BS. That's what platonic friendships are for.


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17 Feb 2013, 8:20 am

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true, but you said in another thread that you don't find really obese people attractive. would you give one of them a chance?

If I started having feelings for them, of course. That's my point. You can categorize what you like and don't like all day long, but in the end, there are some people you'll end up liking romantically, and some you won't, and they won't necessarily tick off all the boxes or match the ideal vision in your head.

To clarify, btw, when I said that, I didn't mean all obese people, I just meant extreme cases (expressed by the "really" qualifier). I've seen real life examples of attractive obese peeps, so I don't consider it a deal-breaker myself.


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17 Feb 2013, 8:23 am

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true, but you said in another thread that you don't find really obese people attractive. would you give one of them a chance?

If I started having feelings for them, of course. That's my point. You can categorize what you like and don't like all day long, but in the end, there are some people you'll end up liking romantically, and some you won't, and they won't necessarily tick off all the boxes or match the ideal vision in your head.

To clarify, btw, when I said that, I didn't mean all obese people, I just meant extreme cases (expressed by the "really" qualifier). I've seen real life examples of attractive obese peeps, so I don't consider it a deal-breaker myself.

yeah, i tend to agree with that. and studies do tend to show that people's perception of attractiveness changes with familiarity. so if someone draws a line in the sand before even meeting others, i think it sort of runs counter to how things tend to happen naturally.


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17 Feb 2013, 10:26 am

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OP, let me do this the easy way for you:

You're never allowed to like a specific subset of women, ever, otherwise women will get very pissed off, as evidenced by this thread. Unless you love a woman 100% for her personality only, you're a horrible person that objectifies women. Also, don't refer to them as females as that'll also twist their panties into a knot that would make any boyscout or sailor green with envy.

Just roll with it, mate.


That is absolutely untrue. There was another one of these threads opened last year. He had a thing for black women too. When I asked him about it the monkey came out of the sleeve: he also had perceptions of 'a black woman's personality', 'how passionate they are'. That just creeps me out, because it is not just about attraction/preference anymore, but you're making untruthfull generalizations.



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17 Feb 2013, 10:30 am

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You guys really need to not idolize any skin colour, I think you should love people for their hearts and not their colour. What you are lacking is cultural confidence by generalizing that all black women are a certain way, people are individuals, accept it and move on.


And that's what a lot of people that make these kinds of topics ("I like Asian girls", "I am attracted to black girls", "Why do I only love Latina's", "I like Eastern European women") do. They idolize a certain subset of physical characteristics and then connect them to certain personalitytraits. It's crazy.



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17 Feb 2013, 10:45 am

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it was *only* white men (or insert said ethnicity here) and nothing but and you knew it came down to the color of your skin - you would be pretty damn pissed off about it.


How often does it really come down to that? I'm pretty sure I've never met a person in my entire life that only cared about the skin color. There's a difference between requiring a person to be a specific skin color, and not caring about anything else. Once again, this is a major false dichotomy.

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There's a difference between having a preference - and refusing to date outside of that preference.


I don't see a problem with either one, tbh. If one absolutely MUST have a black person as their mate, it's the prerogative of the person in question and it doesn't make him or her a bad person for it.

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I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having preferences but let's face it, unless you're an MTV music star or a famous footballer, being that selective is going to prove difficult when you are on the spectrum and even football players have to pay high class prostitutes for sex.


You can call it as foolish as you want, but it doesn't make a person bad for it.

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Secondly, idolizing or generalizing a certain race or group is never a good thing, you risk the chance of being prejudice to other groups and not giving them a fair chance, it's shallow and narrow minded.


I can understand this well enough, but there's nothing shallow or narrow-minded about preferring or requiring a specific race at least from a purely physical standpoint. I don't see it any different from say...requiring that your women have to be active and do cardio. Are you not giving all those slobby women a fair chance?


Personally, I would be VERY turned off if my boyfriend confessed to me he only likes mixed race or latina women, that it is an absolute MUST and a requirement. He has the right to, as you say, but if I knew this on beforehand I would have probably ran away like roadrunner. Those guys are usually the creepiest.

MHX, Hispanic is not a race. There are white, black, asian, australoid and mixed race hispanics.
And racism is not only the explicit act of actively hating one group that carries specific phenotypical traits. Infact, many people are unconsciously racist to some extent. They associate certain very negative or positive qualities/behaviours/values with certain races. I am not saying that this makes a person inherently bad or damaging to the world as a whole.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/d ... atest.html

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17 Feb 2013, 3:20 pm

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When it comes to dating, people want to be wanted for who they are as a person.

They do not want to be wanted for their class, ethnicity, or the color of their hair.

Attitudes like yours, often repel the women that you are trying to attract.


This is perfectly stated. As a black woman who is attracted to white men, I have to say that many of my interactions with them have ended up being extremely uncomfortable because they obviously could only think of me as a stereotypical black woman. I'm not too ignorant to not understand where stereotypes come from; they are based on some cultural similarities, but you absolutely cannot apply them to everyone who is a different race than you, or even the same as you. When it comes down to it, humans are humans and no matter how similar, they vary in the intricacies of their personalities. I can't tell you how disappointing and even downright hurtful it is to realize that people you thought accepted you for who you are based everything they thought about you on stereotypes.

I am, however, pretty naive about boys and dating them, and ended up being in situations where I was only being used by white guys because they wanted to know what it was like to be with a black girl. This happened on several occasions, and I had to learn the hard way and ended up feeling like a fool. It's also frustrating when people ask me questions about black culture just because I'm black, and not because they are genuinely interested in learning about other cultures. It only makes me feel even more alienated and reminds me that most people really do only see me as a black person and not a human.

It's my opinions that people place too much meaning on race. I'm not saying that a persons ethnic culture isn't at all important, but it certainly doesn't make up everything that a person is. I personally don't let my ethnicity identify me, which has resulted in racism from people of my own race because they feel I'm not "black enough". I think it's ridiculous how much stock people put into stereotypes and let it influence their interactions with others. Humans are humans and should be treated as such.

That being said, you really can't help who you're attracted to and it isn't weird to be attracted to someone who's a different race than you, even if people make you think it is. I've been attracted to white guys ever since I was a child. I can't explain why, I just am. It doesn't mean that I don't find people my own race attractive, or people of other ethnicities for that matter, it just so happens that this is who I'm most attracted to. I think that if you like a person's character enough that the cultural differences won't really matter, or you can find a way to accept and work through them.



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17 Feb 2013, 3:41 pm

Cafeaulait wrote:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

A test for those who are interested in their subconscious ;)

Apparently, it goes in this order for me:

1. Asians (halfway between middle and more positive)
2. Blacks (slightly higher than middle)
3. Hispanics (middle of the bar)
4. Whites (a third of the way down from middle)

It's silly. The reason I scored the way I did was because asian people looked distinct enough from the others for me to have higher accuracy when associating them with words. The pictures they used for black and hispanic people had similar skin tones/facial features (relative to the rest of the portraits), so that tripped me up.

I have no clue why I scored so low with white people, though...? Maybe I secretly hate my race? :B


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17 Feb 2013, 5:57 pm

Yuugiri wrote:
Cafeaulait wrote:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

A test for those who are interested in their subconscious ;)

Apparently, it goes in this order for me:

1. Asians (halfway between middle and more positive)
2. Blacks (slightly higher than middle)
3. Hispanics (middle of the bar)
4. Whites (a third of the way down from middle)

It's silly. The reason I scored the way I did was because asian people looked distinct enough from the others for me to have higher accuracy when associating them with words. The pictures they used for black and hispanic people had similar skin tones/facial features (relative to the rest of the portraits), so that tripped me up.

I have no clue why I scored so low with white people, though...? Maybe I secretly hate my race? :B


When I do the test I don´t get answers with bars

it just says for example: you have no preference for whites over blacks or vice versa

i don't see a bar



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17 Feb 2013, 6:36 pm

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When I do the test I don´t get answers with bars

it just says for example: you have no preference for whites over blacks or vice versa

i don't see a bar

My results:

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17 Feb 2013, 7:34 pm

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Maybe its due to the culture I come from but I have never understood the problem with this. Iersomally have a strong preference towards white women, both for physical and social reasons. I simply feel I connect better to their social norms than to lets say Hispanics or blacks. Does this make me a racist or something? Answer no, because racism is seen as having a dislike of or hate of a group. I don't dislike or hate a group, I imply have a preference of one over the others. And to be honest its something quite normal, we've all heard the term yellow fever in the past.


You have a strong preference for white women, but if you liked a girl who wasn't white (hell - half asian and half latina etc) - the probablity is that you would still date her.

Having a preference, even a strong preference, is completely different from excluding people solely on one physical characteristic over which they have no control.


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