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26 Dec 2011, 10:11 am

My model only applies to NT women of prime childbearing age. The variables are tightly constrained and I have a lot of experience.

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26 Dec 2011, 10:14 am

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pasta: for girls about 25 they really really need to feel safe, and for beautiful girls they need a big world. It's all about DNA. Your way of seeing men like crossword puzzles seems more like a pastime than an evolutionary necessity.

Is fraac driven by evolutionary necessity?

Yes, so I do what I've described. I don't understand your point.

I didn't think you sounded like you did just act from your base animal instincts . It sounds like you analyse the f**k out of everything until you have models of human behaviour that you then use to try and manipulate people within in any interaction. And it sounds like you do it to entertain your brain, not feed your base appetites (or both, but not simply because you want to procreate).

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26 Dec 2011, 10:18 am

I'm autistic - the relentless analysis is going to happen anyway. All I can do is try to feed the process enough data so my model stays elegant and doesn't become Rube Goldbergy. Raw data is the strop to the autistic brain's knife. Also Johnny 5.

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26 Dec 2011, 10:21 am

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My model only applies to NT women of prime childbearing age. The variables are tightly constrained and I have a lot of experience.

No you are describing teenagers. I'm describing the woman that exist in the real world from ages 25 up, these days more average child bearing age.

Give me numbers of women you have known and talked to extensively late at night, in honest ways? I want you to quantify your experience (because when you say 4 or 5 women from one cultural group and age range Im gonna say, once again you extrapolate from limited data).
Come on, you have hardly ever known any grown up women? Why dont you want to learn anything new?

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26 Dec 2011, 10:22 am

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I dont know what this means yet, but Im gonna think about it. I love Rube Goldberg. Is complexity a bad thing?

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26 Dec 2011, 10:26 am

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I dont think you sharpen you knife enough. Shame.

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26 Dec 2011, 10:30 am

Design cruft is a bad thing.

You seem to be projecting, or something. I have precisely no experience with teenage girls. I'm not going to detail my personal experience because that's a blind alley, which you should know and therefore I suspect your personal involvement in the subject. You can deduce I have sufficient experience because everything I've said has been correct, except my model is now limited to NT women 23-35, hot and sane.

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26 Dec 2011, 10:39 am

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I don't understand most of this, I don't know what I'd be projecting. I do understand we may as well be back at the start of the thread. Not to worry. Season of goodwill and miscommunication and christmas pudding

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26 Dec 2011, 11:28 am

pastafarian: The autistic brain analyzes everything. It has an intrinsic need to systemize - to grok - every aspect of every piece of the puzzle, before it is able to form an admissible definition of the whole picture. Before this is achieved, however, the definition is considered scientifically incomplete. Many autistics fail to acknowledge when enough data, to this end, has been accumulated, and may create falsifiable conjectures based on the information they already have gathered.

The autistic is using logic to comprehend. Logic is always correct (because if it weren't, it wouldn't be logic). But while that may be correct, if the set standpoint is based on fantasy, the result of the logic will also be false.

In order to stay buoyant in a world made for conforming individuals of neurotypicality, with their perpetual exudation of inexplicable gestural indications, the autistic builds a reusable network of pure logic, and fills in any gaps with the leftovers of concepts they've previously tried to force into this thought system.

Therefore, it is extremely unlikely for neurotypicals to grasp that a top-down view could at all be possible - and even less that somebody has ever achieved this.

You cannot refute fraac based on his explanations. Simply because, for him, the concept is so obvious that he fails to explain it properly - which basically means explaining every damn piece of the puzzle.

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26 Dec 2011, 11:28 am

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"heck, no. if this were true then every man who treated an NT woman that way would be successful with her"

Treated her what way? I didn't specify a way. I've managed to abstract to general principles. Big safe world. True every time. For crazy people lies are safe, and for them you could flatter them or give them drugs. For beautiful women you have to be stronger than people trying to control them and show them a bigger world than the local alpha male (autistics can do the big world part easily; beating the alpha male takes some learning).

purchase's script is great but you don't get to use scripts, so I would always shortcut ("Cool. Meet at 5?") in that situation until the girl is emotionally invested and will give me time for expansive banter.

Because there are no beautiful crazy women.........lol

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26 Dec 2011, 11:29 am

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If you're god of a particular reality, you don't need to dominate anyone. That's the point. You have the freedom to be whoever she needs you to be.

Also, the way to build a big safe world is by becoming whoever she needs you to be (needs, not wants). So it's a self-sustaining process.

That sounds like manipulation.

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26 Dec 2011, 11:59 am

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yes I grok you....

But its a spectrum. Some folk see shades of grey. They get the nuances.
Many autistics accept new data readily and eagerly and don't reject that which messes with their models. I consider most to be more readily open minded and turn on a dim if you give them the data.

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26 Dec 2011, 12:18 pm

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But its a spectrum. Some folk see shades of grey. They get the nuances.
Many autistics accept new data readily and eagerly and don't reject that which messes with their models. I consider most to be more readily open minded and turn on a dim if you give them the data.

Yes, but that's beside the point. We're talking about fraac's view of reality - which I suspect holds water when it comes to logical correctness - even if his data would be flawed (ie. lacking the emotional "irrational" data that neurotypicals are sustaining).

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26 Dec 2011, 12:37 pm

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I dont get your reference to "irrational" data?

If someone says "all woman need to be made to feel safe by men" based on their data, ie all the women they have known have wanted to be made safe by men then how does that hold water if all women do not need to made to feel safe by men?

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26 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm

pastafarian wrote:

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(ie. lacking the emotional "irrational" data that neurotypicals are sustaining).

By "irrational" I mean data that is intrinsically illogical. That is, data that would be unparseable by a computer without arriving at several contradictory conclusions. Hence the proverbial term "not everything can be deduced using logics alone" (even though this is just another weakly founded conjecture).

When working within the frames I'm trying to describe, you wouldn't necessarily be able to recognize how you yourself fit in fraac's model. You wouldn't necessarily see how, in his view, your behaviour actually consists of patterns recognizable by someone (something) that is analyzing everything.

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26 Dec 2011, 1:19 pm

fraac wrote:

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If you're god of a particular reality, you don't need to dominate anyone. That's the point. You have the freedom to be whoever she needs you to be.

Also, the way to build a big safe world is by becoming whoever she needs you to be (needs, not wants). So it's a self-sustaining process.

i don't ever want someone to become anything for me. never, ever. i don't think most people want that as it is dishonest and manipulative, as well as unsustainable over the long term.

I can see that you would like that to be true... but I don't think it is.

you don't know me, nor do you know the man i married, the man i am dating, or the men i dated in the past. so your conclusions are quite flawed. i'm not NT anyways, but i haven't observed what you are stating in NT women either.

anyways i'll let the thread go back on topic.

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