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16 Oct 2017, 4:25 am

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This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.



Confidence in what exactly, hale_bopp? In what?

Confidence in math? In singing? In selling? In having sex for hours? In attracting women? Because those things are so unrelated.

When you women say Confidence, you really mean a very specific type of confidence: Social Confidence, and more specifically the Social Confidence in dating and attracting women.


One can't be confident in everything, the human usually becomes genuinely confident in something as a result of becoming good at it, and has a proven past track of success at it.

A pro footballer with a great past experience and success can be very confident in football, but if he's bad in math, his legs may shake if he's asked to solve a math problem for example; attracting women is a separate "ability" as well even if one may influence the other indirectly.

A pro C# programmer may be confident in writing big Windows applications in C#, but he may feel not so confident in writing something he's not much familiar with like Java for a cross platform application (for Windows, Linux, Mac,...etc) , unless he learns it first and completes small projects in java first (and tested for those operating systems).


Faking confidence is stupid, look at those overly-confidence wannabe singers (with terrible voices) for example who go to singing contests on TV, they always end up mocked by the jury and by thousands of people on Youtube. No one applauds them for their "confidence".



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16 Oct 2017, 4:37 am

Being confident with no foundation is off putting. Makes you look like you lack self awareness.


Also not caring what people think =/= confidence.

It's not the same. I don't care too much about what people think, but like boo said, I don't feel confident about tasks where I know my knowledge/skillset is not suffecient



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16 Oct 2017, 4:40 am

hale_bopp wrote:
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This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


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16 Oct 2017, 4:44 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


A big No.



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16 Oct 2017, 4:44 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
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This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


No, but not caring works well with women.

Nothing makes women dry up faster than approval seeking behavior, or treating them like they're better than you.

I've gotten laid easiest when I treat women like crap or ignore them.



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16 Oct 2017, 5:05 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.



Confidence in what exactly, hale_bopp? In what?

Confidence in math? In singing? In selling? In having sex for hours? In attracting women? Because those things are so unrelated.

When you women say Confidence, you really mean a very specific type of confidence: Social Confidence, and more specifically the Social Confidence in dating and attracting women.


One can't be confident in everything, the human usually becomes genuinely confident in something as a result of becoming good at it, and has a proven past track of success at it.

A pro footballer with a great past experience and success can be very confident in football, but if he's bad in math, his legs may shake if he's asked to solve a math problem for example; attracting women is a separate "ability" as well even if one may influence the other indirectly.

A pro C# programmer may be confident in writing big Windows applications in C#, but he may feel not so confident in writing something he's not much familiar with like Java for a cross platform application (for Windows, Linux, Mac,...etc) , unless he learns it first and completes small projects in java first (and tested for those operating systems).


Faking confidence is stupid, look at those overly-confidence wannabe singers (with terrible voices) for example who go to singing contests on TV, they always end up mocked by the jury and by thousands of people on Youtube. No one applauds them for their "confidence".


The sensible answer would be confidence in interacting with people.
I've used women on dating sites as guinea pigs in the past, and the least attractive thing according to them is a man with bad social skills.



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16 Oct 2017, 5:11 am

What is confidence?

If its just believing in yourself and liking yourself as you are than it won't necessarily make you more attractive.

Take Paul for example.

He is short. Skinny, nerdy.

He doesn't make eye contact when hespeaks to people, he stars at the ground. He walks funny and he does odd things with his hands.

But he is "confident".

His body language might say otherwise. But you speak to him and he say "I don't really think making eye contact matters that much. I am confident I would still be able to attract a San anyway and believe in myself.

See most would try very hard to convince him he's not confident since he appears shy and nervous but when you're an aspie that really.might just be your natural mannerisms and behaviour no matter how confident you feel internally.

You have to have TACT, you have to specifically present an image of confidence on the outside, walking with you head high, making eye contact, smiling pleasantly at others.

I was "confident" at 15 but had no Taft. I didn't care about making wye contact because I believed it didnt matter. I made weird hand gestures but a didn't think that mattered either.

It was only when I had TACT that people were more interested in getting to know me.

People still think.I'm shy today sometimes.
I have quiet confidence
I may be very confident inside but I simply don't talk to people much, not because I'm shy or nervous but usually just disinterested in the conversation.

I try to have confident body language (head high. Hands on hips, sit openly and with good posture. Etc.)

When people actually tall to.me they find my social skills.normal, not nervous or weird mannerisms at all since I'm starting to overcome my ASD on The outside. I blend in just fine.



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16 Oct 2017, 5:19 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


A big No.


So you think caring how women reject you or don't respond to you helps? It doesn't. Want to give them the power?
Let it upset you. Although that Swedish guy seems like a massive mens rights activist, he has a point.



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16 Oct 2017, 5:51 am

hale_bopp wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


A big No.


So you think caring how women reject you or don't respond to you helps? It doesn't. Want to give them the power?
Let it upset you. Although that Swedish guy seems like a massive mens rights activist, he has a point.


I take it that's meant to be an insult lol.
Well, even though I live in a country where the mainstream media constantly demonizes men, and acts extremely condescending towards us, you won't see me parading the streets anytime soon, I think that's a complete waste of time.

All I care about is accuracy, and getting in touch with reality. We're a whole generation of men who have grown up without our fathers, and I think a result of that is that men see eachother as enemies, and walk around kissing the asses of women. Who's to blame for that I won't get into, I think that's rather complicated. But if men could strengten their bonds with eachother, and stop throwing themselves under the bus for the sake of women, that would achieve alot more than any movement begging society for change. I am not advocating for female opression, but there is a serious lack of balance in the male perspective these days.

Whether that makes me extreme or not is up to you.



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16 Oct 2017, 6:05 am

Closet Genious wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


A big No.


So you think caring how women reject you or don't respond to you helps? It doesn't. Want to give them the power?
Let it upset you. Although that Swedish guy seems like a massive mens rights activist, he has a point.


I take it that's meant to be an insult lol.
Well, even though I live in a country where the mainstream media constantly demonizes men, and acts extremely condescending towards us, you won't see me parading the streets anytime soon, I think that's a complete waste of time.

All I care about is accuracy, and getting in touch with reality. We're a whole generation of men who have grown up without our fathers, and I think a result of that is that men see eachother as enemies, and walk around kissing the asses of women. Who's to blame for that I won't get into, I think that's rather complicated. But if men could strengten their bonds with eachother, and stop throwing themselves under the bus for the sake of women, that would achieve alot more than any movement begging society for change. I am not advocating for female opression, but there is a serious lack of balance in the male perspective these days.

Whether that makes me extreme or not is up to you.


It didn't used to be an insult. It only became an insult after a lot of the MRAs started acting like the male version of SJWs.


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16 Oct 2017, 6:09 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


A big No.


So you think caring how women reject you or don't respond to you helps? It doesn't. Want to give them the power?
Let it upset you. Although that Swedish guy seems like a massive mens rights activist, he has a point.


I take it that's meant to be an insult lol.
Well, even though I live in a country where the mainstream media constantly demonizes men, and acts extremely condescending towards us, you won't see me parading the streets anytime soon, I think that's a complete waste of time.

All I care about is accuracy, and getting in touch with reality. We're a whole generation of men who have grown up without our fathers, and I think a result of that is that men see eachother as enemies, and walk around kissing the asses of women. Who's to blame for that I won't get into, I think that's rather complicated. But if men could strengten their bonds with eachother, and stop throwing themselves under the bus for the sake of women, that would achieve alot more than any movement begging society for change. I am not advocating for female opression, but there is a serious lack of balance in the male perspective these days.

Whether that makes me extreme or not is up to you.


It didn't used to be an insult. It only became an insult after a lot of the MRAs started acting like the male version of SJWs.


I haven't paid much attention as of late, but as far as I know, atleast the MRA's tend to be fairly evidence based, where as feminists are not.



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16 Oct 2017, 6:17 am

hale_bopp wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
This thing with telling people to "be more confident" pisses me off. I don't think that's how it works, I don't think anyone can fake confidence for very long.

I think confidence is a natural by product of doing well in life.


Faking anything doesn't work. It's not until you actually don't care you give off a vibe you're a force to be reckoned with.


So the secret of getting true confidence is not caring?


A big No.


So you think caring how women reject you or don't respond to you helps? It doesn't. Want to give them the power?
Let it upset you. Although that Swedish guy seems like a massive mens rights activist, he has a point.


By No i mean one has nothing to do with the other.

But it's totally inhuman to expect someone not to care how your crushes of the opposite sex reject you.

Let's not forget our humanity.



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16 Oct 2017, 6:36 am

Hale_bopp:

There are no Australians on the Internet.

Literally. I very very rarely come across any online and those that do live halfway across the country.

Retro gamer and Raleigh is the only other Australians on wrongplanet and he is very, very far away.

Volunteering at pet shops, I have allergies.

University library. Hobby groups, not bad ideas.

Making male friends for me has always been useless. Every.male friend ive ever had ive been best with girls which isn't saying much.

I tend to end up friends with awkward, antisocial males who don't have any age appropriate sisters or cousins either.

I find myself incompatible with the very.males.who are better at being friends with and knowing girls. I've tried being friends with more social and popular males, just doesn't work out.

I think its stupid and dangerous to have flatmates you don't or barely know.

You could get beaten, raped, robbed, murdered.

I know single girls from.high school who advertise looking for a flatmate, how foolish is that? Even if it'd only other women you can't trust other women either.

Anyway in fairly.mistrusting of others in general and definitely wouldn't actually live with someone like that.

As for a job, I'm on disability. As for drivi . My anxiety is severe.

I would have crashed at 16, my mental health was worse then now.

I can barely even volunteer . THAT is how bad my mental health is.

As for study, I'm on disability Im not permitted from the government to, which is bullcrap.

I can study just fine, its wrling I can't really do yet.

And.no I don't think your dad toigh pove attitude would have helped.

My life is so easy, yet I barely.make it through the day mentally as it is.

Forced to get a job as soon as I graduated would have DESTROYED me.

While we were getting me on disability I was so scared if they said no, I was having occasional panic attacks.

So it's either I get to study but must spend hours a week job hunting and going to stressful appointments each week for hours or volunteer in my comfortable limit, slowly learn to drive . Take advantage of disability support services to help me move out, continue therapy.

I refuse to take.meds they screw with my mental and physical health.



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16 Oct 2017, 7:07 am

There's going out of your comfort zone, and there's being thrown out to the wolves.

If I were to teach my brother to hunt, I would start him with small rabbits. Once he gets better, we would go out of his comfort zone and make him hunt fox

I wouldn't expect him to shoot a lion or wolf from day one



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^ Sly wouldn't like that.



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There are no Australians on the Internet.

Literally. I very very rarely come across any online and those that do live halfway across the country.

Retro gamer and Raleigh is the only other Australians on wrongplanet and he is very, very far away.

Volunteering at pet shops, I have allergies.

University library. Hobby groups, not bad ideas.

Making male friends for me has always been useless. Every.male friend ive ever had ive been best with girls which isn't saying much.

I tend to end up friends with awkward, antisocial males who don't have any age appropriate sisters or cousins either.

I find myself incompatible with the very.males.who are better at being friends with and knowing girls. I've tried being friends with more social and popular males, just doesn't work out.

I think its stupid and dangerous to have flatmates you don't or barely know.

You could get beaten, raped, robbed, murdered.

I know single girls from.high school who advertise looking for a flatmate, how foolish is that? Even if it'd only other women you can't trust other women either.

Anyway in fairly.mistrusting of others in general and definitely wouldn't actually live with someone like that.

As for a job, I'm on disability. As for drivi . My anxiety is severe.

I would have crashed at 16, my mental health was worse then now.

I can barely even volunteer . THAT is how bad my mental health is.

As for study, I'm on disability Im not permitted from the government to, which is bullcrap.

I can study just fine, its wrling I can't really do yet.

And.no I don't think your dad toigh pove attitude would have helped.

My life is so easy, yet I barely.make it through the day mentally as it is.

Forced to get a job as soon as I graduated would have DESTROYED me.

While we were getting me on disability I was so scared if they said no, I was having occasional panic attacks.

So it's either I get to study but must spend hours a week job hunting and going to stressful appointments each week for hours or volunteer in my comfortable limit, slowly learn to drive . Take advantage of disability support services to help me move out, continue therapy.

I refuse to take.meds they screw with my mental and physical health.


That’s a shame. Without medication I cannot even leave the house, let alone have a job. My medication is really hard on my body, but the point of it means I can have a nearly normal life.

I’ve been on medication since I was 13.

It’s often a pay off. You can’t have everything. If you want to function, you need to take medication. People like us got dealt a dud hand. It doesn’t mean it has to be that bad all the time. I have to take bottles of magnesium and psyllium husk for my digestive system to work properly on meds. But it’s better than not being able to do anything and have my mind stuck in a low functioning body.

It doesn’t sound like you want it badly enough to try anything.

I refuse to take medication that makes me pile on weight, but they don’t all do that. I could probably be less paranoid if I did.