Do women make lots of effort to attract men?

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I give up debating with you, Schneekugel.

In a previous post, you middle-fingered the "Crazy beauty standards" industry, then in that last post you admit that you own such calendars that promote the same crazy beauty pornstar-like standards that you previously claimed you're so against.


I am totally failing to compute your logic. You're too illogical.


And oh, please, stop whining then how the media is pushing women toward anorexia, because the calenders you support are part of the media that push guys to take harmful supplements, steroids and fat burners stuff. There's an extreme scary DOUBLE STANDARDS in your brain.

And I don't think artistic paints equal real photos.


I wouldn't mind naked artistic paints in my house if I was married, in fact I have some, because nude paints are usually subjects of art, not sexuality, and bought for their art value, and they wouldn't arouse like real photographs.

But I would never put a calendar full of naked model women so I ogle on them every morning, that's a total disrespect to a monogamous marriage.

And too much hypocricy and lying.

I think I explained it now for three times: The guys on the calendar are models on a picutre. They dont look like that. Only their photograph looks like that. Simply as I dont look, as I look on my wedding photograph. There was no other woman doing my photographs for me. That was me. But the photos are simply cheated, because I simply dont look that way naturally. Just as the guys on the photographs dont look like that.

There is nothing wrong about that, as long as you accept that looking like on cheated photographs is nothing normal or natural.

But there are people, just as you seem to demand from yourself, that seem to demand and expect from average and normal people to look that way, that even professionals dont look like without technical help and cheating. And this is simply sick. And people that demand from me, that I look naturally and normally as specialists do, after lots of technical cheating, and photograph and shadowbodypainting - they get my middlefinger.

Yes there are pictures of nice looking boys. But what you seemed to be whining about, was you thinking that people expect YOU to look like that. First I dont think, that there are those many people expecting from you to look like a faked photograph. I think I told you that now similar times. Only because a girl like to look at a faked photograph and says "aaaaaaaw", she normally doesnt loose her brain function, and does expect you as a normal person to look like that.

You are always repeating: "Because girls saying aaaaaaw in front of hot photographs, I think I have to look that way." But these photographs are phantasies and normal people know that. My partner say "aaaaaw" as well in front of his half naked phantasy chicks, do you think he expects me because of this to look like an airbrushed painting from an artist? Do you think the guy at the front page of the calendar, looks in reality the way he looks like on that picture? ^^ If I met him, I´d guess I wouldn´t even recognize him.

But if there really is a girl around you that confronts you with that artificial beauty standard in reality, that expects you to look in natural, like a specialists look like on a cheated photo that needed hours of preparation and photoshopping. Then goddamn show her the middlefinger for being and dumbass.

I dont blame that models on photograph always have perfect legs. They have because of them getting body make up from a visagist before, because of an professional photograph working with shadows and because of an technician cheating with photoshop. But if someone would demand from me to have those perfect legs with 33 by pointing on some artificial photograph of an 45 year old celebrity - he gets my middlefinger for being an dumbass, not being able to understand the difference of beauty standard you have for an professional photo and in opposite reality.

And when a sick guy named Karl Lagerfeld demands from his models to look REALLY like that, because of them not being shown in pictures you can fake, but because of them doing public shows in front of customers. Then goddamn show that man your middlefinger as well.

Whats so bad about that? There is reality and there is phantasy. Everythings ok, as long as people separate them. The moment that people want to force on you a beauty standard, that goes for phantasy, its no longer ok. There is nothing bad about the NONREAL look Brad Pitt has in some of his films. Its fake. The bad thing from my oppinion is to see a private photograph of him with his kids on the beach and then demand of him to look like, like he looks in films. Then these people simply deserve a middlefinger and the information that REAL 45 year old guys simply have bellies, and if people cant live with that, they have to stay at home and avoid reality.

He watches real non artistic porn as well. Still he doesnt expect me to be horny all day only because of the artists in the films are. Because of him knowing that its simply a show, just as that photographs are a non real show.

^ The body in the callender isn't attainable without supplements and stuff.
They would remove pimples, wrinkles and moles on photoshop but they wouldn't redraw his whole body. They might not look exactly like their photos but certainly not less than 80%.


It's like saying that those extremely skinny fashion models aren't really skinny like in their photos.

You are not admitting the influence of all that on the younger generations, you get only angry if someone expects you to be like a model in a photo, but you are not willing to admit that those male model photos have influence on girls' preferences (like female models' photos have their influence on boys).

You watch naked calendar guys, your husband watches porn - fine, that's your sex life, both of you are ok with that.

But most couples aren't like that, If a husband keeps putting calendars of naked models, the wife would most likely get that as a message that she doesn't look hot enough for him, it's a constant reminder that she doesn't look "perfect", and she's right to think like that, I can't see how else to see it.

I smell butthurt, now to find out why.

Question, do you see that while you fight against the female beauty standard you are enforcing the standard for men. A standard that is unattainable to 99% of men without ingesting absurd amounts of chemicals which are NOT healthy n any way shape or form. How is this better than trying to be skinny at all costs?

They are actually redrawing whole silhouettes nowadays. Its sadly on german, but on reportage of the television channel "Pro Sieben", you could see a professional photoshop artist doing his work. The skin gets matched in colours and tone, eyebrows get the length, thick, size, form and place you want it, eyes, lips, nose... the same, legs are stretched, boobs replaced and enlargended, and fat magically disappears... In the end the model got two sizes smaller then she was anyway in reality. With male models its quiet comparable. What looks like a hot unreachable sixpack is often a twopack with a fourpack of shadows.

When you speak of fashion models, you need to separate. Catalogue photos are often pretty photshopped, so there is not that much pressure for them. As example the girl of the german modelshow I spoke of, that was blamed by frensh designer to be to fat for catwalk, so they ended the contract with her,, has lots of jobs and customers and also is really skinny, around 38. Thats actually also what dessous-designer want, because dessous presentation really sucks without a boob to presentate a bra. ^^ Whyever, in Paris and Mailand, they still insist on size 34, which is american size 0 I think. 38 is reachable by a good diet and sport, when you concentrate on it. 34 cant be done in a natural or healthy way, even not by professionals that only concentrate on their job. Thats simply sick, just as those frogbodybuilders ruin their body to get that massive monster arms.

I dont say, that there are absolutly no boys or girls influenced by such things. But in the opposite I think its not that bad, when a guy demands from me to look like a professional picture of a super model. I mean at least you know very fast, that the guy lives in a non real phantasy world and doesnt fit for an relationship in the real world. And with woman its the same. I think a woman demanding of you to look like her dreamprince, wouldnt only demand her optical dreamprince from life, but her dreamlife as example as well. I simply think, that children that are still dreaming about their barbiephanties, are simply not fit for relationships, anyway if those photos exist or not.

Nope, we dont have sex lifes with that. When you visit europe and pass one of that hundreds naked ancient statues we have in cities, you dont have a sex life with them as well. They are simply there, and some of them are very pretty and give you some nice feelings, you can share afterwards with your partner, but you dont have sex with them. There is an ancient german sentence, that I think tells the way we handle it very well: "Its ok, to get some appetite outside. But eating (=sex life) is done at home."



Yes sure, she doesnt look perfect. I never knew, that partners expect themselves to be perfect phantasyprinces/ses, riding on pink, glitterspreading ponies. So where do I find that dimension portal to the phantasy world, where I find my perfect men I have to expect? Sadly until know I was in reality forced to meet only normal nonperfect men. I thought them to be "perfectly fine" the way they are, but if those perfect supermens can be found somewhere in reality, I´ll take one. ^^

I dont know how to respond to that "hot enough", but from interests you could say I was a tomboy. So most of my hobbies and interests I share mostly with boys and during the engineer degrade school, there weren´t many girls as well. So my close friends were mostly boys and I spended lots of time with them. And from my experiences: Men simply like to see girls. (Just like woman like to look at boys.) Anyway if they have a girlfriend, or have no girlfriend at all, be it their nightelf-avatar chick or whatever. A men that likes to look at a woman, simply means nothing more then him being heterosexual. If he is additional staring like an dumb idiot too, that additional means, that he has no manners. So sure my partner likes my personality, because of it being MY personality. But my boobs, he simply likes, because of them being boobs. XD So I dont get, why you think its normal to be jealous at a photograph. If a woman decides, that she wants you as a partner, it is because of you. Not because of you having this or that. Every men has the same this and that as you have. There is nothing special about that. The only special thing about you, is you. And no photograph can have that. My partner and I also have sixpack...they are hidden under our normal belly fet, but they are there, so no cause to leave us for sixpacks.

Many woman also like flower bouquets or potpourries in their homes. Do you think, that because of women liking the sight of such things, that it is right to think of their husbands, that their wifes want them to to look more like flower bouquets or bowls with potpourri? O_o Its simply nice to look at such stuff, but because you like to look at something, doesnt mean you want it as a partner.

And I mean sure, my husband would like it if I was instant horny all day, like that girls in the films. Just as he would like it to have a spaceship, to fly to his work without traffic jams. Or to have superpowers, like Spiderman. Or to win a million in lottery. Sure, everything of that would be nice. But its simply phantasies and we both know that. Nothing bad about a little daydreaming, as long as you can separate it from phantasy. Its nothing real that can threat me or him in reality. Beside the fact, that the only thing I know, about a guy on a picture, is that he looks good on that picture. A partnership is something you do with a person, that you want to share your complete life with. So when I look at a professional photograph, I hardly know what the guy really looked like. But I definitely know, that he wont look like that with 50. ^^

God its worse than Jeremy Kyle on here, and Parkinsons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson_(TV_series)

Quoting erotic dancers and films with Patrick Swayzee in them isn't going to make the woman in question love you more, its all about personality and contradiction in correct detail.

Wow. Quote where I said that his picture is the optimum of a healthy body. I said that it is not unhealthy to go to the gym and have a healthy diet, and that getting some abs (note, no reference to that body type) might be easier than altering your body shape as some women do. Note I never said all women. I was responding to your post where you said that women don't need abs to be considered having a perfect body. As if women don't go through just as much struggle because they don't have abs.

Anyway, I should catch up.

Who's quoting that?

Good luck at that, MXH.

I know, I'm hoping that using very basic words will allow it to be easier to read

I personally couldn't bother with trying to achieve and then maintain a very fit body. Seeing one of my brothers, it's sure a lot of effort especially without steroids.

I don't envy what girls have to go through, however, to keep themselves as acceptably thin as possible.

Comparing artistic naked statues with porn and nude catalogue is ridiculous.

I am not going to starve myself for some unrealistic goal,once I got down to 112.Only by not eating hardly anything.I'll keep my few extra pounds,I am too short to ever look like a model.
You can only do so much with your body type,all the dieting in the world will not give me a wasp waist or longer legs.I am not built that way.

I don't put effort into attracting people because I think it is not worth my energy and time.

I don't wear make-up, don't want to torture myself with those thight dresses other girls and women I know seem to love and I don't have enough time to spend on my hair. I am really slow when I have to get ready to go out, if I had to put make-up on, choose what to wear and spend time on my hair I'd be even slower.

I usually just put on whatever I see first, as long as it is comfortable it's ok, comb my hair a little and that's all. This takes me a lot of time because I am slow, slso I get distracted while doing things and I stop or start doing other things instead of getting ready.