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17 Aug 2014, 7:13 pm

Wow, five more pages? Haven't we concluded that Scandinavian society is much more conducive to health and fitness than U.S. American society yet?



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17 Aug 2014, 7:26 pm

A woman who is too skinny or to fat will most likely complain about their own weight about the same, and will always be fussing over it. its those about in the middle who take care of them selves but does not turn it into a big issue that seems the most happy with them selves.


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17 Aug 2014, 7:43 pm

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and the scales she tipped where the standered 400 pound ones, she was well over 500 pounds when we divorced.



holy chit well over 500 pounds!?!? You should've chained her down and put her on a water diet. lol



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17 Aug 2014, 7:48 pm

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and the scales she tipped where the standered 400 pound ones, she was well over 500 pounds when we divorced.



holy chit well over 500 pounds!?!? You should've chained her down and put her on a water diet. lol


Keep her moist and try to roll her back into the ocean.
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17 Aug 2014, 8:01 pm

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As for what your dad did -- your answers here are telling me you have an extremely difficult time seeing beyond your own situation, but I'll say it again: you live in a social democracy.

Everyday life is considerably easier for you than it is for most people in the States. You have a world of social supports people here don't have, and parents have what looks like Christmas every day compared to how things are here.


You live in a country where a house is 200,000 dollars, and a Corvette is 50,000 dollars, where there are Walmart stores everywhere, where you drive your own car to the poorhouse, and gasoline is almost as cheap as tapwater; I don't. My dad worked 60 hours per week when we were kids, because the prices of groceries, gasoline, and pretty much everything that isn't fiberoptics is more expensive in Scandinavia than in Great Britain or the US.

Only one social democracy (Norway) has a higher HDI than the US, and that's by a very close margin. Furthermore, as an engineer, I'd have more money in the US; in Norway, Denmark and Sweden, engineers, doctors, and lawyers pay much more in taxes because forklift operators, hairdressers, and taxi drivers think they're entitled to the latest iPhone every year.

These so-called social supports are a way to cover up unemployment. Nominal unemployment here is at 3%, effective unemployment is at 10%. After a given time of being unemployed, you're put on disability, when you'd simply continue be a part of the unemployment statistics in other countries. The disability benefits here are next to nothing if you take into consideration that a small apartment is 400,000 dollars, and even a compact car is 40,000 dollars. Nevertheless, many European welfare states have much, much more foreign debt per capita than the US.

There are still no laws regarding minimum wages in Norway and Denmark, and Sweden barely has any protection against unfair layoffs. Until 2012, you could also bypass the labour laws in Norway by renting employers from employment agencies instead.

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In order for you to have time to exercise daily with your children, here...you'd have to homeschool them and have your wife make enough money to support them all, prep for both your retirements and save for college for all those children. Essentially, she'd have to be an investment banker or cardiologist, and you wouldn't see very much of each other. I do have a friend whose family works that way; he works for Warren Buffett and makes more money than God. His wife homeschools the boys and they're always off hiking and doing sports.


Jobs typically end at 4-5 pm. That still leaves you with 5-6 hours you can spend on exercising afterwards.

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If you had four children here...well, you'd already be frightened about how they were going to go to college without your winding up with $200K+ in debt, and how in the world you'd ever retire. To pay for a house near a decent public school, both you and your wife would be working -- you'd likely have a 60-hour-a-week job, and your wife would work part-time. (You might also be commuting 1-2.5 hours each way to get to a decent job if you had to live far from work in order to find a decent public school, since private elementary schools cost $20-50K/yr.) You'd get home around 6:30 pm from work if you didn't have to stay late and work on something. Your children would have activities either right after school or after dinner, and they'd have a good deal of homework. You might be able to grab a couple of them and go for a run or toss a ball around, but it wouldn't last long, because they'd still have homework and likely chores to do before shower and bed.


The average American works for 40 hours per week (40.5 for men, 39.6 for women). That's nine hours less than Hong Kong, four hours less than Singapore and China, slightly more than Denmark, slightly less than Sweden, and three hours less than Greece. Be glad for what you have instead of complaining how much better everyone else have it. Americans have fewer days of than most Europeans (which is irrelevant in terms of exercise), but they also earn a much higher salary on average.

Public schools are plentiful in the US, and unlike European schools, they even serve hot food. Commute times in the US are no longer than in Europe. Compared to Iceland, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, and Spain, the US seems to be doing very well. A whopping 40% of all new cars sold have leather seats, and video gaming consoles are selling like there's no tomorrow.

As far as housing prices go:

http://www.blocket.se/bostad/saljes?sor ... &ca=11&w=3
http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/home ... eaId=20196
http://www.immobilienscout24.de/wohnen/ ... aufen.html

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Anything the European Union touches becomes like a pressure cooker that sooner or later explodes.

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There are reasons why people live in such seemingly stupid ways here. It generally boils down to making the best of a bad lot. Were you to come here and try it, you'd find yourself making those same unpleasant choices.


Getting a greencard is a pain in the ass and not worth the hassle.


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17 Aug 2014, 8:10 pm

Aye but at least your unemployed/disabled population isn't on the streets begging in its hundreds of thousands like the US. Much rather pay others a yearly iPhone for no apparent reason than have them in absolute poverty.



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17 Aug 2014, 8:11 pm

^^^ The Netherlands is pretty high up in that list. One reason is the outrageous cost of housing so people have to take out huge mortgages. Now that housing prices have been going down (good thing) since the crisis, that affects people whose houses are now no longer worth enough to be collateral. If these people have to sell they'll be paying off a mortgage for a house they don't even have anymore. I know someone who can't move because he can't sell the house since it's worth less than the mortgage. That person is just stuck there until prices go waaay up again.



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17 Aug 2014, 9:03 pm

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Sorry, still catching up. Sly, about ways to stay in shape when you don't have much money, assuming your neighborhood's safe:

1. Stairs. Stairs are your friend. If you find a set of stairs you have an exercise machine. Just start walking up and down them -- not every day or you'll injure yourself -- for ten minutes at a time, and work up to half an hour, and when you're there do 5 minutes jogging up & down stairs, 5 minutes walking till you've done your 30. You can also put heavy things in a backpack to add to the difficulty.

2. Weights can be expensive, but if there's a secondhand sporting-goods shop near you, you might be able to get 3 sets of hand weights -- something that feels to you light, a bit of an effort, and rather heavy -- and do a lot with them.

3. Pull-up bar assists: Put a chair under the bar and keep one foot on the chair, one foot dangling. It'll take some of the weight off and let you build upper-body strength.

4. Assistance with gym memberships: depending on where you live, you might be able to get your membership subsidized. A lot of states have incentives now for working out, so if you call your state health/welfare department, they can tell you about any weight-loss/fitness incentive programs they've got. Should be on their websites, too.

5. Push-ups: do them on your knees, and just do as many as you can. If it's not a lot that's fine, just keep doing them every couple of days. After you've built up some strength, try regular push-ups.

6. If you live near any parks, see if any of them have fitness/parcourse trails.

7. Garage sales. People often try to get rid of exercise equipment really cheap. I got a nordictrack at a garage sale for $20 -- excellent exercise but loud, so not suitable for an apartment unless you're on the ground floor.

8. Make up lists of exercises for yourself with a checkbox: today I'm going to [do these six calisthenic exercises, walk for 45 minutes, come back and do 8 pull-ups with a chair assist]. Or whatever. And then just follow your own instructions.

How's that to begin with?


1. no stairs around here that I can just go walk on. most stuff is ground level or private.

2. closest we have is goodwills and they charge more for used weights then buying new ones from walmart. they break apart the equipment and try to sell it in pieces. weights here are a dollar per pound, so say i got 50 pounds that $50 per weight and need two. its just too pricecy when I make barely any money.

3. don't have one would have to overcome my anxiety and go to the school(if they stil have them) can't bring chairs. I'll keep the idea in mind though if I ever get access to one.

4. I did some digging and there doesnt seem to be, only directs to inssurance of mediciad/medicare, and I don't know what plan I have as the name on the card doesn't match the plans they list on the site. the ymca offers scholarships, but its also like 10 miles a way in the other city, so any cost decrease they offer would just be mute with the gas incease. really wish there was a $20 a month gym within walking distance.

6. they only have kids playgrounds.

8. I'll try. don't know what calisthenic is o.O

wouldn't it be better to pay 20 a month for people to go to a gym then pay 300k for a surgery that would have been avoided with exercise.

so tired of being poor :(



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17 Aug 2014, 9:19 pm

How about Tabata workout? No equipment needed and it's only 4 min long.
Search it on YouTube. there are different versions so choose one you're comfortable with.
I like this one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=887f5Xs1f2A

You can download a free timer app on your smartphone too.



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17 Aug 2014, 9:23 pm

sly, if you're willing to pm me your state, I'll see if I can find anything else that might be available at the state level.

Also, how far away are your nearest community center and library?

Calisthenics are push-ups, sit-ups, squats, regular gym exercises like that. Don't require any equipment.



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18 Aug 2014, 12:39 am

Ha Kurgan, the house prices here are the same while it's 1/5 your GDP.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_housing_bubble



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18 Aug 2014, 12:40 am

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You mean criticizing people? I'm willing to bet, if I only mentioned men, I wouldn't have gotten the backlash. Also I posted the exact same topic on another site and no one there got an attitude. Also, you don't know my friend's girlfriend, I do. She's a heavy smoker, she has no clue about anything going on in the world, nor does she care. It was you in fact that brought the topic to females only. If you post something in this forum about men, that is criticizing most of the time there is no backlash. If you post something that could be viewed even remotely criticizing women(in general, or ones that make bad choices) there is a backlash within two minutes and last for days on end. I've seen the male members on this forum get bullied, while the female members constantly bring up topics about equal rights and equality, yet those same members bully the male members and try to make them feel shameful. A tactic, that does not work on me. I don't really get it. Do you just go on threads hoping to find any excuse you can to argue with a male members? It certainly appears that way. *Sits and waits for you to write five whole paragraphs on how I'm wrong according to you.* Also I even mentioned myself in the topic. I guess that just went over your head.


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18 Aug 2014, 12:56 am

Kurgan wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Rage or not, it's not healthy.


Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.


It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.


Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.


It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.


It's only cheating if you get caught. Every olympic sprinter, le Tour De France cyclist, or IFBB professional is on a massive cocktail of drugs. EPO and HGH + insulin are both much more dangerous than any androgenic steroids. Usain Bolt never got caught, Lance Armstrong did get caught; the former is still a hero, the latter was chased with torches and pitchforks.

As far as prices go, an 8 week cycle of Test E, Deca, and various estrogen blockers is no more than a few hundred dollars. Less expensive than smoking, in other words. I'm not on any gear, but I'll probably start using Test E and less harmful drugs once I'm in my 30s and actually have spare time.


So murder is only a crime if you get caught? Lance Armstrong did get caught and he's banned for life from the sport? Usain Bolt isn't on steroids, stop projecting what you can't achieve naturally on to others to justify your use of drugs, just because they can achieve it without drugs.

How is this for natural strength?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1g4INnwaaY



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18 Aug 2014, 1:23 am

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Kurgan asked about how facebook is useful to insurance agents and people in a bunch of other professions. Answer is the same as for anyone else - it's a way of networking, connecting with people who have helpful information, and friendships make it more likely that people will share.


In other words, it's a spare time activity, and not something your should be doing in your work time.


Can't help you if you can't see how social networks are important to business.

As for what your dad did -- your answers here are telling me you have an extremely difficult time seeing beyond your own situation, but I'll say it again: you live in a social democracy. Everyday life is considerably easier for you than it is for most people in the States. You have a world of social supports people here don't have, and parents have what looks like Christmas every day compared to how things are here.

In order for you to have time to exercise daily with your children, here...you'd have to homeschool them and have your wife make enough money to support them all, prep for both your retirements and save for college for all those children. Essentially, she'd have to be an investment banker or cardiologist, and you wouldn't see very much of each other. I do have a friend whose family works that way; he works for Warren Buffett and makes more money than God. His wife homeschools the boys and they're always off hiking and doing sports.

Most people in the US don't get to live like this. It makes a very big difference when there's a serious commitment to the middle class. We don't have that.

If you had four children here...well, you'd already be frightened about how they were going to go to college without your winding up with $200K+ in debt, and how in the world you'd ever retire. To pay for a house near a decent public school, both you and your wife would be working -- you'd likely have a 60-hour-a-week job, and your wife would work part-time. (You might also be commuting 1-2.5 hours each way to get to a decent job if you had to live far from work in order to find a decent public school, since private elementary schools cost $20-50K/yr.) You'd get home around 6:30 pm from work if you didn't have to stay late and work on something. Your children would have activities either right after school or after dinner, and they'd have a good deal of homework. You might be able to grab a couple of them and go for a run or toss a ball around, but it wouldn't last long, because they'd still have homework and likely chores to do before shower and bed.

There are reasons why people live in such seemingly stupid ways here. It generally boils down to making the best of a bad lot. Were you to come here and try it, you'd find yourself making those same unpleasant choices.

As for me, I had to have a yearlong fight with the school district and win the superintendent to my side in order to have my daughter moved to a school to which she could walk or ride her bike rather than spend most of an hour daily sitting on a bus. Most people don't know how to carry out a campaign like that.


The lifestyle in the US isn't a healthy one and there are many obese people simply when in comparison to France which has a much lower obesity rate, the truth is the United States is a rat race of working and partying, Kurgan makes a good point on that note. It's all about institutions in the US and that's why it is such an unhealthy country. Would he make the same wrong choices though? People with paying jobs spend their money on materialism instead of finding out about other incomes so they can have more time to spend with their family. Some people do invest in their house, a rental property or an index fund by the time they are fifty, playing the stock game is really a full time job or processing and responding to information all day and very few people get good enough at trading to make a living from it, however growth shares and dividends can pay a nice bonus if you're not into the swing trading game.

People in the US dig themselves in debt and live beyond their means so much, they are forever working in a whirlwind of panic and fear for survival.

If you can't handle the responsibility of kids whilst staying healthy, why choose to have that responsibility?



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18 Aug 2014, 2:13 am

I've read a paper (I can't recall where) a while ago linking Insulin resistance to obesity; and it may be a root cause of weight gain, the study said that while obesity itself causes insulin resistance in some cases, there are other cases where it is the other way around; so someone who is genetically likely to develop insulin resistance is more likely to gain weight, that also may explain why families suffering diabetes type 2 often have obesity problems too.

Don't try to take insulin injections while you're no diabetic and without consulting a doctor, it can be dangerous.



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18 Aug 2014, 7:36 am

I like it better when Tarantella offers excellent advice about exercise, rather than people getting into stupid arguments about generalities. At least this is providing productive input.

Men are this, woman are that---not applicable on a microcosmic level.