Dating websites are not for males - scientific proof.

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The fact is these services are a SCAM to get you to part with your money. Many of the women there are BOTS. They don't exist in real life. Snap out of it people!

Insufficient sample size. Selective reporting. No confidence margin. No attempt to duplicate results.

Nothing scientific here. Moving on.

No matter what way you slice it, online dating won't be a favorable experience for most men.

Your looks automatically become several points lower once you go online. Yes, it's true that fat/ugly people of either gender are basically screwed. But average and good looking guys rarely get responses back from women. And I even know two male models who said their success rate is present, albeit really low. I checked their profiles too, and they weren't doing anything wrong. In real life, even the ugly people will find dates, but online, since there's so many men messaging, women have the luxury of rejecting guys based on looks alone. A guy who is handsome but chubby can be the life of the party at work or school, but online, he'll turn up dry constantly/

It's not because men don't put enough effort into it It's true that short lazy messages and copy-paste messages are turnoffs. But it's also true that an average guy can spend 2 hours reading through dozens of profiles and carefully selecting 15 of them to write detailed (but not too long) messages to, specifically their interests/pictures/profile content. Here's what happens: 10 of them don't respond back at all (not even a "thanks, but you're not my type. good luck to you though."). And of the remaining 5, 4 or 5 of them flake before there's even a first date.

You can do "everything right" and still fail. I'm usually told the same things. Take good profile pics. Did that. Write a detailed profile. Did that. Don't be vulgar. I'm not. Say something more interesting than "Hi". I did. Have some humor and flirting, don't be boring. I do. Don't rush it by trying to meet her too soon. I don't. Don't be desperate and text her times a day. I don't. Basically, the idea that men only fail because they're making huge blunders is not necessarily true.

Men greatly outnumber women on these sites. There's no other explanation for the lack of attention men get relative to women. But it's not womens' faults. I totally understand why many women don't stay on these sites for long. Between the sexual harassment and vitriol most women face by male users, it's not an appealing climate for women. And therefore, it's not good odds for men either. While average women with enough patience for BS to winnow out the jerks may eventually get a diamond in the rough, many average men can spend months only to find nothing.

Sometimes, no matter what way one tries to justify it, life just isn't fair.

Just as I've said before. There's probably 2 male users for every 1 female user. There's probably 5 very active male user for every 1 very active female user. And it's because the misogynistic men have poisoned the well for the respectful men.

Real life has a ratio much closer to 1:1, but people like myself just have to be shy and socially anxious.

I'm not even that shy or socially anxious, I could approach if I really wanted to but I very strongly prefer if I know they're attracted to me before I approach, which almost never if ever happens, and if it ever does it's only by a female confident enough to approach ME first.

I'm not too oblivious to hints - I just truly get very few.

I've noticed the occasional looks from girls my age, typically one's I'm not physically interested in back, and that's with even low expectations (they're not 'bad' looking, per se, it's just, from first impressions, they clearly look like the types that would typically be popular dumb bimbo girls in high school - I nickname them 'Diva's'). Those aren't my type.

It might sound shallow of me to judge only by looks by that, but even when I talk to these types I get exactly what I expected. I optimistically hope not everyone is what they appear but am frequently disappointed that big dumb aggressive looking jock guy was, surprisingly, a big aggressive non-academic type.

But even those could have been 'maybe's' rather than definite yes's that they're interested.

Tinder tried to solve this issue but only ended up making the site more for hookups than looking for love.

Good to see you back, Face of Boo, it's been a while! I heard what happened, no need to mention it here.

"Your looks automatically become several points lower once you go online."

Also, some women can be very hypergamous online.

I've seen profiles from fatties who actually say stuff like "I love my food and if you don't like me for who I am gtfo" but then demand a fit and athletic male when they openly admit to not making the effort to care about their health themselves.

Apply this to almost anything else.

The slightly athletic women seem to want absolute beefcakes.

Why can't I, a slightly athletic guy, realistically desire a slightly athletic girl?

My goal isn't to be 'ripped', it's to have a toned body similar to male swimmer or lightweight boxer physique. I enjoy swimming, boxing and parkour and want the body for it along with overall improved fitness/health. This frustrates me as there's all these huger guys getting more success.

Online dating? Fuggetaboutit.

Might have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I don't feel like flipping through all 10 pages. That Ashley Madison site... It was all just dudes messaging other dudes. Hilarious, ain't it?

There is a good majority of women who love to be put on a pedestal in order to make themselves feel good and wanted. They will NEVER however date a guy that puts them on a pedestal, because that guy is viewed as being beneath them.

Hey Mr. Boo.

You're fortunate. You live right on the Mediterranean; you don't get most of the inland hot weather.

Something like 1/3 of marriages are for folks who met online. Dating sites do work for anot insignificant number of people, nearly half of whom are male.