Guys That Want Virgin Mary Purity

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I heard it's illegal in France. The justification used was that a man should act like a father to his wife's child even if its not his. Therefore men in France aren't allowed to know. I don't agree with it either. It wouldn't surprise me if men in France had access to black market paternity tests.

What kind of evidence? The only evidence I can think of is bloodstained sheets from their wedding night but that can be faked (she could bring a vial of blood with her to her wedding).

I trust in the future you won’t claim I mean all when I say a lot, most, many and will defend me against women claiming I’m saying all women ?

I think trust is part of the NT commitment package. Personally, I prefer a mind-to-mind communication link so I can read out her thoughts. With that in place, verbal trust and commitment chatter becomes irrelevant.

There's pornos that fake that

I love Retrogamer. He has magic fingers. Can turn a 1 page thread to 15 pages overnight.

COULD be faked, she COULD have been on her period, etc., but it’s not like they couldn’t take measure to prevent that. No need to overly complicate it. OT law required at least two witnesses, and I’m guessing showing off stained sheets might have been a feature of the whole wedding feast. Think Game of Thrones meets Yentl. lol (they faked it in Yentl by spilling red wine on the sheets). If it’s that important, they’d have made some effort to prevent something like Yentl from happening. Keep in mind, too, that the Jews are traditionally deathly afraid of blood. A bride on her period would have been scandalous, so likely key parts of the feast would have been moved around to accommodate that. Like, they could say the wedding will happen in a certain month, then they wait for her period and the 8 days for purification. I’d be interested if anyone here would happen to know what the laws/traditions are dealing with the wedding, but my understanding is that weddings were not the one-and-done kinds of events we typically celebrate. The biggest problem is that hymens aren’t necessarily broken only by sex. The ancient world would have been well aware of that, too, so I’m sure there must have been some kind of hedge law that covered that. I dunno, like having family members certify that the girl had NEVER been left alone with a male non-family member or some such and have some way to attest to that.

And to actually think I've indirectly been taught my whole life that my worth is literally in my chastity and that its the "only reason why guys chase me" because they can "smell virginity from afar" ...

“Trust” is overblown. They weaponize it. Screw that.

I’m a religious person. Faith is a big deal to me. Faith doesn’t have to be blind to still be faith. It’s foolish to put faith in something you cannot substantiate in some way. I think for most people this is a very personal thing. Putting faith in a person is always a challenge. But it’s easier when you know this person is consistent and has a long standing record of being trustworthy.

I know I can trust my wife, and yes, we’ve gotten into arguments over this kind of thing before. I’m not sure she’s convinced, but I’ve explained that my trust issues are not with her. She doesn’t owe me anything. But I do NOT trust other men to keep their hands off her, and on this point I’ve been proven right. I don’t trust a certain girl friend who encourages her to have an affair or potentially seek a divorce (it’s a matter of projection. She’s been divorced once already and is currently cheating on her husband with multiple men. So now she thinks everyone in a stable relationship is as miserable as she is). So when she comes home after a “girls night out” with an attitude that darkens the rest of the week, yeah...I’ll say something. My wife isn’t an idiot. And even if it takes some time, she eventually does see through people to their manipulation. She doesn’t tolerate it from me, and now that she sees her friend doing it to her, she doesn’t fall for it with her, either.

I believe people by nature cannot be trusted completely. I need to establish a history with someone to know how they’ll act in the future. THEN I’ll trust them.

But if I knew or even suspected the possibility of another man, yeah, I’d need a paternity test. My wife would say she has nothing to hide and would gladly have one done. So, yeah, we’re good.

So Jews have also the concept of 'purification' like in Islam?

What Mohammad didn't copy from Judaism/old Christianity?

http://www.judaism-islam.com/taharat-th ... ification/

I have another approach to this. I will trust people, and if they break my trust, they are completely "roasted", and I will never ever have anything to do with them again. So, the small signals NTs have don't work on me, and I simply don't have the energy to collect the trust information.

Ritual purification. If understand it correctly, it just means you can’t participate in temple activities. This would be a big deal to the priests and Levites, less so to anyone else.

Give Deuteronomy and Leviticus a good read-through sometime. If the priest said you had a skin disease (leprosy), you were “cut off from your people).” If your skin cleared up, you were to go to the priest who would examine you. If he said you were clean, you would then take a ritual bath in a pool or stream of living water (naturally running water) and you were “clean.” Contact with blood would make you unclean. Sex after sunrise would make you unclean. For ordinary, mundane stuff you couldn’t really avoid, basically you just kinda stay home, take a bath, and you were clean after sunset. You didn’t need a priest for that. But if a priest or Levite came to you for whatever reason, you would have to warn them that you’re unclean. Even though it wouldn’t really affect you, ritual impurity would directly interfere in priestly duties.

A woman on her period was considered ritually unclean as would be any man who touched her. I think the law was she was impure for the next 8 days, after which she had to take a ritual bath. It wasn’t a special hygienic exercise or anything, just a symbol of renewal. Kinda like some Christians practice baptism by immersion. The story of David and Bathsheba is made even more disgusting because the king was probably watching her perform a purification ritual.

I have no idea what the link is to Islam. It’s not something I’m terribly interested in. I’m not Jewish, so it’s not something I practice myself or have a real need to know. I just find it fascinating. Plus ritual purity symbolizes death, burial, and resurrection. Ongoing purification represents a life focused on repentance.

Impurity, IMO, represents people with real lives and real problems who are vulnerable to everything that can go wrong in life. The priest caste represented the pure sacrifice of atonement. They couldn’t really be guilty of sin because their status kept them above the influence. They were supposed to act as the spokesmen for the people and take on their sin nature in order to cover sin and redeem the people. This put them at risk for self-righteousness. They couldn’t be bothered to help feed the starving and care for the sick. But even Aaron was “cut off” from his duties because he had to deal with death in his family. A priest could become unclean to help people in need because the time for purification for a healthy person is short and there were plenty priests to go around. The intended role of priests and Levites got lost somewhere along the way, and that’s why in the NT you hear so much about the priest and Levite caste behaving badly.

Your life didn’t end just because you were ritually impure. It just meant you were temporarily banned from certain very specific roles in ritual life.

^ it is exactly the same s**t in Islam, Muslims cannot pray or enter mosques if they are “unclean”; they also consider menstrual blood as “unclean”.

If I were pregnant and didn't know the baby's father well then I would accept he might want a paternity test. If I were in a serious relationship/married and he asked for a paternity test, I would be devastated, it could easily be the end of the relationship. I wouldn't lie about something like that, and if he doesn't know that then he doesn't know me. Someone who knows me and believes in me is the main thing I am looking for in a partner, so a relationship without trust is worthless to me. It goes both ways though, he could leave a diary/phone/letters whatever next to me, I wouldn't look.

I understand that, and I’m not saying you’re wrong. YOU know you aren’t lying. How can he know, though? There are always two sides to a relationship.

Most people have a tendency to only look on their own side within the relationship. They look at what someone owes to them, not what they owe to someone else. And if they pay lip service to no owing anything to each other, in practice that just means they just want to be left alone to do what they want. I can womanize and cheat all I want, but if SHE does it there’s hell to pay. My husband doesn’t kiss me anymore, so it’s ok if I hook up with a guy at the clurb. But the second he cheats on me, it’s blueback city. And if anyone asks me what I did all night, he or she has trust issues and isn’t worth my time.

I don’t think paranoia and abusive treatment is the right way to go. But if two people choose to be in a relationship together, they owe it to themselves and each other to help their partner feel secure.

If that’s a dealbreaker, or if you feel you’re constantly having to prove yourself to someone else, your hurt and desire to exit is perfectly understandable. But too many times the “trust me” issue is just an open window to abuse someone. I don’t turn on “find my iPhone” on my wife unless there’s a real need to, like if we have to travel separately and we meet up somewhere, or when she visits her girl friend she has to pass through a dangerous part of town. I worry and I’ll text or call if she’s out extremely late, after which her friend who DESPISES me gets extremely pissed off and makes her leave. There are men who do this to the level that life with them is unbearable. And if a person is constantly being evasive EVERY SINGLE TIME you ask them about anything, the phone screen is immediately locked every time you approach them, the computer screen goes dark, she runs away or immediately hangs up if you catch her on the phone, she’s always going out but NEVER invites you, gets evasive or absutely WILL NOT let you hang or talk to her friends, or gets really defensive any time you ask about some guy she’s always hanging out with after work...

I mean, it all adds up after a while.

For the record, my wife and I are both always looking over each other’s shoulders because of something funny or interesting the other person is doing. If she tells me I’m annoying her, I back off. That’s not a privacy or trust thing. It’s a personal space thing. In a previous relationship, I was constantly on the receiving end of this kind of abuse. At one point it was so bad I figured if she really felt that way about it, I might as well cheat on her so she’ll at least have a good reason to be suspicious.

And then she stalked me for having the gall to break up with her.

There are many angles to this issue. If I want a girl to trust me, I’ll call or text from time to time to let her know what’s up so she won’t worry. If I have to be alone with another girl, I’m letting her know who, why, for how long, and when that engagement ends. My wife would do the same. Blind trust is a breeding ground for abuse.

AngelRho, your marriage sounded so terrible lately.