Will any female here actually admit to liking jerks?

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31 Jan 2009, 2:38 pm

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The thing is men have to treat women differently than men because women are more sensitive and easier to upset.


That's mostly true, the girls I know are wimps, it really annoys me.


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31 Jan 2009, 2:49 pm

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After reading through this ENTIRE thread, I have to say that I am thoroughly disgusted with some of the viewpoints that have been professed in this thread, so much so that I am almost ashamed to be male and have decided to get a sex change operation and become a woman . It seems some of the jerks that the title of this thread mentions came out to defend themselves.

First, it seems that there is confusion over the meaning of "feminism." Feminism has many different divisions describing how women ought to be treated. For example, I am a "liberal feminist." This means that I believe that women and men are entitled to equal opportunities and held to equal or comparable standards in all aspects. In simpler terms, men and women are equal.

Second, women are entitled. Women are entitled to be treated equally, to express their own ideas and beliefs, to disagree with those with conflicting ideas, and to generally be their own person with their own voice. Men are also entitled to these rights. All people, regardless of gender, deserve to be treated equally.


well good for you. :thumright:



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31 Jan 2009, 2:59 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
The thing is men have to treat women differently than men because women are more sensitive and easier to upset.


That's mostly true, the girls I know are wimps, it really annoys me.


It's biological differences, women are more sensitive because they are nurturers, men are more aggressive because they are protectors.



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31 Jan 2009, 3:05 pm

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Yeah true. But I think women are more power hungry in general, and not for any particular reason, just for power.
2 words: Dick Cheney...

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Yeah but women are not forced to shave their legs, wear make-up and high heels. They do it for their own vanity. I'm not a big fan of make-up because in the long run women end up looking worse because the make-up damages their skin and also I know high heels are bad.

Men are expected to shave their faces and wear suit and tie in the business setting. Whenever I have grown facial hair I have had comments from women saying I look better without it.

Same thing applies to tanning... women will spend so much time in the sun and in tanning booths merely to change the color of their skin. It's one thing to spend some time outside each day (the health benefits for such include vitamin D, as well as the benefits of not sitting on your ass all day long). However, some women get into this mindset that their skin needs to be as tan as inhumanly possible to "look good"... I, for one, think that overly tanned skin looks worse than the pale color... and to top it off, there's the well-known link between tanning and skin cancer...



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31 Jan 2009, 4:22 pm

PhR33kY wrote:
After reading through this ENTIRE thread, I have to say that I am thoroughly disgusted with some of the viewpoints that have been professed in this thread, so much so that I am almost ashamed to be male. It seems some of the jerks that the title of this thread mentions came out to defend themselves.

First, it seems that there is confusion over the meaning of "feminism." Feminism has many different divisions describing how women ought to be treated. For example, I am a "liberal feminist." This means that I believe that women and men are entitled to equal opportunities and held to equal or comparable standards in all aspects. In simpler terms, men and women are equal.

Second, women are entitled. Women are entitled to be treated equally, to express their own ideas and beliefs, to disagree with those with conflicting ideas, and to generally be their own person with their own voice. Men are also entitled to these rights. All people, regardless of gender, deserve to be treated equally.


Don't think anyone can disagree with that



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31 Jan 2009, 4:24 pm

Lol, I guess Cheney is an exception!

Urgh, yeah the tanning thing can get out of hand. I do prefer a slight tan to albhino. But if people go orange it looks strange.



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31 Jan 2009, 6:36 pm

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To take such negative experiences and become empowered by them in such a manner as you describe is utterly inspiring. You are an example of human fortitude and endurance, and a testament to the strength of human will. Other people in your shoes might have been crushed by the long, hard road you have walked, but you overcame it. Such a gift is rare. You, Merle, are a shining example of the human spirit. I am in awe.

My respect for you has gone from "high" to "astronomical."


So, in other words, the Che Guevara of women's rights?



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31 Jan 2009, 7:33 pm

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Honestly, do you or don't you. I don't care if you do cause I'm not at all looking for a girlfriend now but if you do...why? and why do "nice guys" not do it for you?
you're kidding... right

I'm male, so you know, and I have NEVER come across ANY female that will admit to liking jerks... why would they?

As for asking that? why? that's not the sort of thing you ask women, that's likely gonna turn them right off you

my apologies if this seems harsh but that's the way I see it


Think I give a sh** if I turn them off? Don't ever respond to my post again ret*d. Hows that for harsh.


Maybe you just "think" you are nice. I've come across men who just thought they were nice and would whine if they didn't get what they wanted from me, would call and invade my personal space when it was unwelcomed, would threaten to hurt themselves if I didn't give in.

Real nice guys don't pat themselves on the back and claim themselves as nice then go on an autistic messageboard and call someone a ret*d.

Maybe you need to examine what is going on internally and do something about it.

Some people that claim to be nice are just full of it. Then there are really nice people.

All of these posts blaming women for not getting what you want shows you aren't a nice person and frankly not alot of women will want you if you have the attitude of entitlement.

You aren't entitled to a super model. You aren't entitled to sex for being nice or playing nice.

Also, when it comes to looks, males are way more picky than women are and won't refrain from telling a woman she's ugly or average in the looks department or criticize her frame.

Guys should quit doing the following.

-Watching porn to learn how to treat women.

-Asking clueless male friends.

-Bashing women for not putting out.

-Acting as though they are entitled to a super model but the women should see past their own outer flaws and accept everything about them.

-Acting as if it's all the woman's fault for not being interested.

-Blaming women for their lack of interest even though it takes two to be interested.

-Failure to understand that these other guys you are watching get what you want probably try more times than you do. If you sulk over being rejected for prolonged periods of time over one female, you're missing out on other chances.





Most women I know don't sit there and jump out there seat and declare "Hey I know, how about I go find a jerk today!"

When guys say stuff like all women want jerks, it really reveals they aren't all that nice themselves and/or wallowing in self pity. That isn't attractive and if you keep just blaming women and not willing to accept anything else, good luck.


-The blunt girl that always gets in trouble for it.
That is what I was trying to tell him, but in not so many words

*off topic slightly* As for him calling me a "ret*d", well maybe he ought to get to know a person better before judging them like that


Thanks for taking the time to read all of that. People usually just ignore when I go on lengthy tangent.



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31 Jan 2009, 7:37 pm

MR_BOGAN wrote:
PhR33kY wrote:
After reading through this ENTIRE thread, I have to say that I am thoroughly disgusted with some of the viewpoints that have been professed in this thread, so much so that I am almost ashamed to be male and have decided to get a sex change operation and become a woman . It seems some of the jerks that the title of this thread mentions came out to defend themselves.

First, it seems that there is confusion over the meaning of "feminism." Feminism has many different divisions describing how women ought to be treated. For example, I am a "liberal feminist." This means that I believe that women and men are entitled to equal opportunities and held to equal or comparable standards in all aspects. In simpler terms, men and women are equal.

Second, women are entitled. Women are entitled to be treated equally, to express their own ideas and beliefs, to disagree with those with conflicting ideas, and to generally be their own person with their own voice. Men are also entitled to these rights. All people, regardless of gender, deserve to be treated equally.


well good for you. :thumright:


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Cute; your immaturity speaks volumes. I find amusing that you were unable to come up with any arguments with which to counter my points.


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31 Jan 2009, 7:43 pm

LOL, I missed that doh. Well I think its pretty funny. Chill out.



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31 Jan 2009, 7:46 pm

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To take such negative experiences and become empowered by them in such a manner as you describe is utterly inspiring. You are an example of human fortitude and endurance, and a testament to the strength of human will. Other people in your shoes might have been crushed by the long, hard road you have walked, but you overcame it. Such a gift is rare. You, Merle, are a shining example of the human spirit. I am in awe.

My respect for you has gone from "high" to "astronomical."


So, in other words, the Che Guevara of women's rights?


No. Actually, that post I made there was completely off topic. I was commenting on her character, rather than the issues of the thread. Is it so wrong that I found her post so moving that I had to comment on it?


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31 Jan 2009, 8:15 pm

PhR33kY wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
PhR33kY wrote:
To take such negative experiences and become empowered by them in such a manner as you describe is utterly inspiring. You are an example of human fortitude and endurance, and a testament to the strength of human will. Other people in your shoes might have been crushed by the long, hard road you have walked, but you overcame it. Such a gift is rare. You, Merle, are a shining example of the human spirit. I am in awe.

My respect for you has gone from "high" to "astronomical."


So, in other words, the Che Guevara of women's rights?


No. Actually, that post I made there was completely off topic. I was commenting on her character, rather than the issues of the thread. Is it so wrong that I found her post so moving that I had to comment on it?


Let's just say I would disagree with you...



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31 Jan 2009, 8:24 pm

I'll admitt I've liked Jerks because theyre stupid and I love teasing them. :mrgreen:



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01 Feb 2009, 12:05 am

Misogyny is certainly not dead.

In response to the thread. "She is just not into you". Plain and simple. Attraction starts with looks so if your ugly being a jerk is not going to make you more attractive to women. I know some men like to think that by being an ass that women will magically want them but life just doesn't work that way. Sure desperate people want anybody but do you really want one of those? Mating can be a selective process if one puts their brain behind it.



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01 Feb 2009, 12:56 am

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There's nothing wrong with women having the same rights as men. If I lived in the 1960s, I would probably be one of those men that campaigned for women's rights, as I come from a very progressive family background...

The problem comes when the people that were campaigning for rights for a particular "second-class" group finally achieve their goals... the people that were once fighting the good fight realize the power and influence they wield, and aside from certain exceptional people such as Martin Luther King, end up getting drunk on their power, and, in the end, go on a f***ing power trip...

Hence you get groups like the Black Panthers and the super-radical branch of feminism...


sorry you are so oppressed by women, ToS. It must be frustrating to want something they have that you feel they are 'witholding' from you. I must chuckle to think you think that they have 'finally achieved their goals' though. Just because things are 'different' doesn't mean they are 'done.'
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How did this become about me and women "withholding" things? I'm talking about society at large here...

I'm not going to deny that there are still inequalities between the genders, most of which are culturally induced. The salary inequality that pays more to men. The "she deserved it" attitude that still exists to this day towards female rape victims. The objectification of woman in pornography. All these things are appalling in a society that prides itself as being in the 21st century.

But there are other inequalities too. In the dating scene, men are almost always the ones that are expected to initiate. In most child custody cases with divorcing parents, the child is almost always placed under the custody of the mother (even in lieu of shared parenting, which generally only happens if both parties agree to it), and the father has to pay child support for a child that he isn't helping to raise anymore. And to top it off, when a man hits a woman it's instantly classified as domestic abuse (as it should be classified, I'm not arguing that point), but when a woman hits a man it somehow isn't...

When it comes to double standards, the door definitely swings both ways... If you were truly a campaigner for equal rights, you would campaign for removal of all of these double standards, regardless of the gender said standard favors...


so where did all those inequalities come from, then? durning the 1930's women were mostly given the children in divorce and you are telling us they still do. Why? Did a lot of radical women say "give us what we had in the 1930's??"

and where did I say I was a campaigner for equal rights?

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01 Feb 2009, 1:37 am

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so where did all those inequalities come from, then? durning the 1930's women were mostly given the children in divorce and you are telling us they still do. Why? Did a lot of radical women say "give us what we had in the 1930's??"

I was merely trying to point out that the door swings both ways...

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and where did I say I was a campaigner for equal rights?

So, in other words, you admit to being a radical? Now it all makes sense...