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27 Dec 2011, 7:10 am

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You seem to have an emotional attachment to the idea that I can't have a functional top-down view of human nature. In this case I'm not sure that showing my working would help.

I think you are right about that. It really bugs me.

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27 Dec 2011, 7:30 am

I don't use jargon. I use words precisely with their correct, consistent meanings. Kenjuudo described the process by which I straightened out semantics. If you believe you're in a world where, for example, Naomi Campbell is beautiful, then you're the delusional one. The real world isn't determined by consensus. It simply is.

As I said, for some weird reason the everyday nonautistic can shortcut to an approximation of the correct meanings and significance of things by observing fairy tales. I think they're like religious allegories: created by autistics as stories about the real world, but where religions were embraced by control freaks and corrupted, fairy tales flew under the radar.

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27 Dec 2011, 7:59 am

OP's thread has been totally de-railed.

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27 Dec 2011, 8:13 am

I'd like him to come back to list reasons why she might have changed her mind, but it seemed to be a thing for him, like one of those autistic things where if you push too hard they freak out.

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27 Dec 2011, 8:21 am

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I agree about beauty and Naomi Campbell but thats a tangent about the real world (the real universe). I didn't say sane people weren't beautiful, I like its use like that, and yes the real world isn't determined by consensus, it just is, like Pooh.

I said the English word, "Beautiful" can not be used as meaning "not insane" in successful dialogue on WP if you do not explain your use first. The real world doesn't speak English so it's daft to talk about the meaning of words in the real world. You changed the subject. Naomi Campbell, my arse.

I was talking about whether you or not you seek new data, on this forum or from interactions with human beings. I think green places and the kindness of people are beautiful (and very sane). I agree its a good use, but its not a "correct, consistent meaning", its a shell.

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27 Dec 2011, 8:26 am

How is it a shell?

Aspies struggle to show their working because they've already abstracted beyond it. If I explain why the opposite of beautiful is crazy or the opposite of love is control it would take pages of excruciating explainerising, and I'm not sure for what. This is why we tell stories instead.

I think I seek new data. Not in person recently because I've been depressed and indoors. Why would you suspect I don't seek new data?

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27 Dec 2011, 8:40 am

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The opposite of beautiful is crazy. I am surrounded by insane people and I have a special bubble of beauty that I crawl to for sanctuary.
The opposite of love is control. I love madly, I try to be only kind and I do not seek to control.

You dont need to explain the use of these words now, I get it as it ain't hard. It really isn't?

In dialogue, I personally would just want to see misunderstanding comings, see them off at the pass, for more efficient communication. You know people will misunderstand yet you really dont care, I find that odd. You use your own idiosyncratic language. Its seems like a barrier to new data - hence its a shell. Keep your models elegant?

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27 Dec 2011, 9:01 am

You don't need bubbles of beauty. The crazyness can only exist in bubbles because it's surrounded by the real world. You have experience with psychopaths, you should be interested in why the real world can save you from other people's delusions.

I use language that's consistent. If you're confused by anything, ask.

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27 Dec 2011, 10:33 am

fraac wrote:

Who says I can't update my models to accommodate new data? I love new data. I live for new data.

hyperlexian: I have no experience with autistic women at all. Also, the oldest I've known was a super hot 39 year old German tourist, an unstoppable wave of pheromones, just desperately needing to get knocked up. So that's not a big safe world, but she had a successful career and stuff so it still makes sense.

When I say beautiful I mean connected to the real world, the opposite of crazy. By crazy I mean accepting lies. Crazy girls create their own 'safe' world of lies (overeating, delusions, bitchiness, too many cats, etc.) and have less need to be introduced into a big safe world where their DNA can propagate. Crazy girls love to be manipulated, beautiful girls need the real world. I find autism interesting in this regard as (in theory) we should be much saner, though, as I see from this topic, not always.

Well I would be offended because I pride myself in my possible insanity, but it appears you define it differently than I do so I guess I cannot be offended. Those sound like typical females to me honestly......just add, feeling bad about the over eating, spending hours on make up and hair, shopping for clothes as a 'fun' activity rather then a chore, ect.

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27 Dec 2011, 1:41 pm

fraac wrote:

no. you are incorrect. you don't have a birds' eye view of the world that the rest of us lack. you have tunnel vision of a reality that you have created in your own head. i may not personally think Naomi Campbell is beautiful, but other people can think she is beautiful and their opinions are equally correct. you are right that consensus is not necessarily reality in some cases, but your opinion is not universally true either.

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27 Dec 2011, 5:42 pm

fraac wrote:

I'd like him to come back to list reasons why she might have changed her mind, but it seemed to be a thing for him, like one of those autistic things where if you push too hard they freak out.

He seems to have abandoned the thread.

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