Misogyny

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That's a redefinition of the word. I hate women who are abusive in their relationships. Doesn't make me a misogynist.

Pick another label. Misogynist carries with it a very negative connotation that shouldn't just be carelessly applied to men without much thought put into it.

I mean, I and many others I know are not quick to accuse women of being misandrist when they show frustration towards all men. So I'd expect the same from others when it comes to men showing frustration towards women.



No, his frustration is specifically with certain women. Read what he said. You don't understand his mind better than he does.



The OP is just frustrated because he's not being able to attract the women he wants. I would call that helplessness not misogyny. I see no need for anyone to treat him as if he's some monster that needs to be cured from a f****d up disorder. Yes, he should go seek help but not for the reasons being insinuated here.



But they say it regardless. That is the point. It's ridiculous.

I don't want to go point-for-point with you, MCalavera, but you have objected to the use of the word 'misogyny'. I say again here is a pretty textbook example of the actual meaning of misogyny: [subjective] hatred of women [defined as objects] because of their womanness [however that is perceived].

I have indeed read what has been said very carefully and am responding to OP's declarations on face value. He declares he has arrived at this frame of mind, not with certain women, but merely about them: this is not my invention, but drawn from the OP's own declaration that he has no interaction whatsoever with the women being alluded to. It is an act of objectification to assign individuals thus to a subclass, based only on a biological coincidence; and what makes this entirely consistent with misogyny is to take the further step of declaring hatred for all members of the subclass merely because they are women - which would be sufficient all by itself to fulfil the definition - but wait, there's more - whose only articulated meaningful function is to deliver sexual gratification, and whose (entirely imaginary, because untested) crime is their presumptive failure to do so.

In reality, though - with you - I see this as a multi-textured scenario. Only OP knows where he is really coming from here. But he has chosen to identify as misogynist. You choose to take issue with the use of the word, and if I haven't yet cleared up my own usage of it to your satisfaction I advise you to take it up with OP next time. Meanwhile, I should be grateful if you could try to stick with the subject matter rather than using loaded expressions like 'insinuate' to try and undermine the credibility of other people's posts. Speaking for myself, I've never insinuated anything in my life (and quite likely would have got into less trouble, on the whole, if I had). If I have something to say I say it directly, just as I have here.

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MCalavera, i'm not redefining anything. there is more than one definition of misogyny, and one of them refers to a subclass of women as opposed to ALL women.

anyway, since the OP views himself as miogynistic, your opinions about whether it is accurate are not really relevant.

HighPlateau, I wasn't referring to your posts in particular concerning the insinuations that he's psychopathic and needs to be cured from it. But other posts in this thread have.

And the issue isn't with what the OP reckons he is. To me, he just sounds confused and his posts contradict the idea that he's misogynistic. He said it himself what he's feeling is just a reaction to the fact that no woman he'd be interested in would want to be with him.

I do not care to argue with him about this because he's clearly confused and needs help, but some of the responders here should know better.

I think he just needs to get laid. If he still had issues after that, he could deal with them then. So much autistic frustration is due to overthinking what are actually simple animal urges.

i disagree. his posts in the thread make it quite clear.

how do you feel about women?

Post an example then and let's see, and don't try to probe my mind for how I personally feel about certain persons or things because you've been getting it wrong about my personal feelings from the moment you first tried to do so.

you probed Boo's motivations on this other thread, so presumably you can take it as well as give it:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4287209.html#4287209

i am interested to know how you feel about women as it could explain why you are downplaying the OP's words. he thinks he is misogynistic and many members agreed with him. his explanations fit one of the definitions exactly, so it makes perfect sense to those members.

you disagree, so i wondered if it had anything to do with your personal feelings. you can easily tell me that i am barking up the wrong tree, but you haven't actually answered that question.

OP says he hates women. I think you have to take him at his word and allow that he's misogynistic. It's just a word, not a death sentence.

Who's probing my pants??? I feel something is moving down there!! !!.

it's alive... ALIVE!! !!

There was no probing done of his motivations as he made it clear in that post and in another thread posted some time ago. On the other hand, I've already made it clear how I feel about women before you even asked. Since you enjoy searching through the archives of my precious posts, you should've known better than to ask such a silly question.



Already answered in this exact thread. I'm not going to repeat the answer just to satisfy you. So pay more attention to what I say. And stop insinuating wrong things about how I feel.

OP is confused. He hasn't even been intimate with girls. And he certainly has never mistreated them in any way. How is this misogynism when there's no evidence for it?

All we're going by is his words of confusion. That is not enough to make him a misogynistic.

Yes, he hates certain women. But the hatred isn't based on them being women but on them not meeting his own needs. He doesn't even consider them inferior to them and, on the contrary, seems to put them on a league far beyond him.

You're confusing between misogyny and sexism, sexism always leads to misogyny (in case of men), but misogyny doesn't always (yet often) lead to sexism.

MCalavera, you assigned a motive to Boo, but you'd rather i didn't do that to you. same=same.

i am interested in how you characterise your feelings about women, for example whether you can relate to the OP's feelings. but i understand that you might not want to answer it for a variety of reasons.

moving on, if you take the time to reseach misogyny, you will understand that the OP is correct in calling himself misogynist. hating a subsection of women (usually because they won't give a man what he wants) is one type of misogyny that is well-defined in the literature.

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