Aspires and NT relationship issues
I'm wondering if this is more a female trait than an NT trait....
I think the reason you don't see males coming here for support and understanding about aspie women as much is because the plain fact is that most aspies are male. That has got to be a big part of it. But there have been, on occasion, men seeking advice and guidance about aspie women just the same as we women are. The numbers are not equal though, as would be expected.
Women aspies are underdiagnosed.
I'm wondering if this is more a female trait than an NT trait....
I think the reason you don't see males coming here for support and understanding about aspie women as much is because the plain fact is that most aspies are male. That has got to be a big part of it. But there have been, on occasion, men seeking advice and guidance about aspie women just the same as we women are. The numbers are not equal though, as would be expected.
Women aspies are underdiagnosed.
And ASD traits in women are often mistaken for other conditions.
Also, NT men are strongly inhibited from talking publicly about feelings by the cultural expectations of the males.
_________________
Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
<not moderating PPR stuff concerning East Europe>
I'm wondering if this is more a female trait than an NT trait....
I think the reason you don't see males coming here for support and understanding about aspie women as much is because the plain fact is that most aspies are male. That has got to be a big part of it. But there have been, on occasion, men seeking advice and guidance about aspie women just the same as we women are. The numbers are not equal though, as would be expected.
Women aspies are underdiagnosed.
And ASD traits in women are often mistaken for other conditions.
Also, NT men are strongly inhibited from talking publicly about feelings by the cultural expectations of the males.
Not just NT men, ALL men. And it's not because of cultural expectations, it's because of cultural consequences.
The_Face_of_Boo
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jun 2010
Age: 44
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,671
Location: Beirut, Lebanon.
I'm wondering if this is more a female trait than an NT trait....
I think the reason you don't see males coming here for support and understanding about aspie women as much is because the plain fact is that most aspies are male. That has got to be a big part of it. But there have been, on occasion, men seeking advice and guidance about aspie women just the same as we women are. The numbers are not equal though, as would be expected.
Women aspies are underdiagnosed.
If this is true, and if it's true that AS is part of Autism, then there should be a 1:1 sex ratio in low-functioning autism, which it's a very obvious condition, it's hard to miss or to misdiagnose (unlike the sublte AS), yet the official ratios in LFA are about 4 boys to 1 girl. Are you telling me that even the girls with severe autism (classic autism, LFA) are going "under the radar"? It's not logical.
So if the AS' sex ratio is really closer to 1:1 (due to females being underdiagnosed) like so many here claim then either AS is fake or AS is a totally separate condition unrelated to Classic Autism.
Honestly I feel this talk of 1:1 ratio as the true ratio is some kind political correctness (but for what? for equality in Autism rate? lol), girls with Classical Autism wouln't grow unnoticed by parents and doctors nor would be misdiagnosed with something else.
from http://www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/gender.aspx
Nobody says 1:1, but at least part of the gender gap on the higher functioning end is due to underdiagnosing.
_________________
Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
<not moderating PPR stuff concerning East Europe>
that1weirdgrrrl
Veteran
Joined: 19 Jul 2017
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,090
Location: Between my dreams and your fantasies
WHAT IS NEUROTYPICAL?
JANUARY 10, 2013 MUSINGSOFANASPIE 188 COMMENTS
How many books on Asperger’s Syndrome or Autism have you read that begin with Chapter 1: What is Asperger’s Syndrome or Chapter 1: What is Autism? If you or someone you love is on the spectrum, then the answer is probably “a lot.”
Everything before " offended yet?" Was very interesting. Thank you for posting that. I am being sincere. I have no idea what purpose those last few paragraphs serve.
I learned about reading between the lines the hard way. A lot of people got hurt in that process...
Do you have a boyfriend?
I've also wondered about this...^^
_________________
...what do the public, the great unobservant public, who could hardly tell a weaver by his tooth or a compositor by his left thumb, care about the finer shades of analysis and deduction!
Remember, again, that all NTs are not alike. They don't all have the same needs or wants in a relationship, be it with friends or partners.
If someone holds onto a relationship with you you have to assume they positive reasons for doing so. When you think of ways to be a better friend, go ahead and take those actions. If something has you worried you aren't being a good enough friend, go ahead and ask.
If they let it go you have to assume you weren't able to meet each other's needs.
_________________
Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Last edited by DW_a_mom on 04 Oct 2017, 1:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Why be that way? Wouldn't you want an NT friend to make an effort to understand you, and try to build a meaningful relationship? How can we know how difficult it is for her to understand the way we think? If we think hard enough, can we understand the way she thinks?
It's not like she's trying to stereotype us, she just has a friend who's Aspie and she's trying to maintain that relationship because she likes him as a friend. I honestly wish more NT people like that were posting here, we could learn from them.
The NT friends I have are the ones who realise I need to be left alone to recover/decompress/retain my sanity.
They don't try to force themselves into my awareness or keep making demands for attention.
They realise that contact has to be on a practical level, not an emotional one, otherwise I have no idea how to respond.
They realise how much socialising wears me out and will do thoughtful things like sitting beside me instead of across from me so I don't need to make constant eye contact.
They will text and ask how many mms of rain I had instead of how I am.
That is how they understand me.
What they don't do is tell me how not contacting them makes them feel unwanted and hurt, because that would make me feel like I have failed, and there's a high probability I will fail again and that would tend to make me withdraw from the friendship so as not to inflict harm.
Honestly, I would rather have no friends than know I constantly hurt them.
I think the friends I have are secure enough in themselves that they are not hurt by such things.
They tend to be confident and independent people, who don't rely on others to build up their self worth.
I can be relaxed around them because there's no judgement or undercurrent of resentment or pressure to be something I'm not.
In return I give them an extremely deep and loyal friendship.
One has even broken contact with other friends because she's realised how superficial some of those other 'friendships' are.
Really, all I've learnt from this thread is how NTs are hurt by us because we don't constantly bolster their egos, and I'm not the bolstering ego kind.
I could text someone every day and say, "How are you? I missed you so much!" but that would be a lie because I probably haven't missed them at all, because how can you miss someone who is still there and is a part of you, like your elbow is a part of you?
So would you rather be lied to or have a relationship based on truth?
And texting is the worst kind of communication because there's usually no other markers to go by but a few cryptic words, so I will stress myself out for hours wondering how to respond appropriately.
That's rather debilitating for me, so it goes both ways.
I really hope this is not taken the wrong way, as it is not meant in any negative way whatsoever. But pretty much everything said in this quote is so far off the mark of what we think, feel, and why we see things the way we do, and why we expect certain things from friendships. It has nothing at all to do with ego or anything else even remotely like that. I would only suggest something very simple. Given that Aspies have such a hard time understanding the NT viewpoint and world, and this really should not be taken as a criticism, it is just plainly part of the diagnosis, would you be willing to consider that your interpretation of how we are and how you are seeing us is likely incorrect? This is not even asking any aspie to adapt, or fully understand, or to do anything really, other than to recognize that you don't really get it. We don't get you either, but we recognize that we don't get you, that is why we are here.
The piece you are responding to seems to me like such a small part of everything involved in building positive relationships, however.
Although I do disagree with Raleighs characterization as the need being related to ego.
Regardless, I don't think we always need to know the "why" of anyone else's needs. I learned long ago to stop attributing a "why" because unless you are in someone else's head you will probably be wrong. That is especially true when my Aspie son tries to come up with a why (although he seems to have a greater need to come up with one than I do). If you care about someone, you simply accept what "is." "That is just the way John Doe is about X." There are so many things I simply accept about my friends and family. I don't judge. I don't attribute. I simply accept. Because for whatever reason I will always care about that person.
I answered you in the other thread, btw, Imhere.
For me, at least, maybe it's not so much about knowing "why", exactly (though that would be nice). It is more about knowing the "what"....what exactly does he think (about me)? Does he care or not? Does he consider me a friend or not, and if so, what exactly is his definition of a friend so I know what he wants or needs? (Once he did tell me he would always be my friend...but at this point I question what that meant in his definition.) Now see, I have asked him many times about these things and many other things. He does not answer, or when in person, demonstrates that he perhaps cannot answer. Any question that is not logic or science or math based is pushed under the rug. I honestly think he is very "young" emotionally, and very inexperienced emotionally. There is a part of me that really feels that he cares deeply. But the outward behavior is mostly the exact opposite, at least lately...it didn't used to be that way. But as human nature would have it (perhaps I should say NT human behavior here?), we tend to hold on for dear life to those moments that, to us at least, meant something, that seem like the other person truly cared, like there was a connection. It makes no sense. But it is feelings, not logic. So as far as accepting what "is"...that is my problem...I don't know what actually "is" with him. One minute we are having a conversation that is so deep and personal it would be like a conversation between lovers, the next minute (and most minutes) he completely ignores me or says mean things to push me away. So I have no idea what "is" is.
If you have asked and cannot get an answer that makes sense to you, I think you have to realize that he is just not the guy for you. It doesn't mean you don't care for him or him for you, it just means you weren't meant to be in the way you are wondering about.
If you are comfortable keeping the friendship for those rare true connection moments, I would do it, but you have to understand that those are moments. In those moments your connection is real, but there are no tools to sustain it beyond the moment. That requires you detaching yourself emotionally and not looking for answers, not reading beyond what you have in the moment. Just allow the connected moments to happen when they happen. If you can't do that sort of detachment, I think you need to break free entirely. It sounds to me like that is what he has to give you, and nothing more: the occasional connected moment.
Looking backwards through my life there were many, many people I had true connections with that just were never meant to be my life partners. They are happy memories. They were very real. But they weren't meant to be my 24 hour a day sustainable life partner. That sort of situation just is. You are going to find that can happen with anyone; it is not limited to ASD/NT relationships. People come with different needs and different assets, and the list of what needs to match up in order to have a sustainable long term relationship is pretty long. You and this guy don't match up, it is as simple as that.
You can care the world for someone and still realize that each of your needs and limitations are never going to match up. Some relationships are just not meant to be.
_________________
Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
The_Face_of_Boo
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jun 2010
Age: 44
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,671
Location: Beirut, Lebanon.
The_Face_of_Boo
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jun 2010
Age: 44
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,671
Location: Beirut, Lebanon.
The_Face_of_Boo
Veteran
Joined: 16 Jun 2010
Age: 44
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,671
Location: Beirut, Lebanon.
| Similar Topics | |
|---|---|
| Looking for a relationship :) |
24 Jul 2026, 9:35 pm |
| Hello introducing myself. Yes I'm looking for a relationship |
08 Jul 2026, 12:31 pm |
| Sensory Issues |
22 Jul 2026, 11:39 am |
