Love, Sex and the Male Brain

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26 Mar 2010, 5:21 am

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I'd be interested in the inverted account; a subjective documentation of the changes in losing testosterone after growing up soaked in it.


That ought to be easier to find actually -- the experiences of male-to-female transsexuals. There was an NPR piece... (goes to look it up)... Ok this does not involve trans people, but for medical reasons (I think cancer treatment) there is a guy who had his testosterone level temporarily reduced to zero. Said he lost his desire for most everything, but that it was kind of pleasant. Its actually a bit short, but all I can remember on the subject ATM.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-a ... stosterone

Ooo, interesting.


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26 Mar 2010, 9:18 am

Both the testosterone-related accounts were good reads for me. I'm still pretty convinced that there's a generally substantial difference between the level of sexual desire men have and the level of sexual desire women have, despite the opposition I sometimes get on that topic, and that had me a bit more convinced than before. (Maybe some people think I'm implying that it's natural for men to commit rape, or something like that)



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26 Mar 2010, 10:30 pm

....Huh. Interesting point. It really does bring to question the similarities and differences in men & womens' sex drives.

However, magnitude and frequency aside, this certainly makes it clear that there's a big difference in how they work.



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28 Mar 2010, 7:42 am

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Interesting article. Thought I add this one:

http://www.ravenkaldera.org/activism/feminist.html

It's an account of how testosterone feels, written by a female-to-male transsexual. I've read a few other accounts like this and it's interesting when certain male behaviors suddenly "makes sense" to someone -- the point being that if you're male it can be surprising to realize that someone could be surprised.

There's something vaguely odd that we're all humans but that the experience can vary in these biological ways so much.


Thanks for the post, it must be AMAZING to be a man. You know, I think sometimes (ok a lot of the time) I am a man's brain trapped inside a woman's body, but I don't mind having a woman's body so no surgery for me :)



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28 Mar 2010, 2:33 pm

*shrugs* Sometimes I THINK i can think like a guy, because I sympathize with guys who get nagged and when the wimminz want them off the computer/away from the TV/etc. But most days I think I just think I think like a cat. :3

yeah, there's too many 'think' s there. XD



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28 Mar 2010, 3:24 pm

While we're talking about general male-mindedness anyway, I might as well bring this up.
During puberty and prime, a young man may experience that the world is made of cardboard. :P It's just that the musculature may develop in sudden leaps that make it difficult to get used to the current strength.
Holding anything fragile always comes with a risk of squeezing too hard, but it's worse when you're not sure about your own effect/effort rate.

I've broken plenty of tools and doorhandles (old house) a few years ago, and I caught myself clenching a gadget too hard as late as this morning.
Do the female have the same problem?


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28 Mar 2010, 4:46 pm

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While we're talking about general male-mindedness anyway, I might as well bring this up.
During puberty and prime, a young man may experience that the world is made of cardboard. :P It's just that the musculature may develop in sudden leaps that make it difficult to get used to the current strength.
Holding anything fragile always comes with a risk of squeezing too hard, but it's worse when you're not sure about your own effect/effort rate.

I've broken plenty of tools and doorhandles (old house) a few years ago, and I caught myself clenching a gadget too hard as late as this morning.
Do the female have the same problem?


oh man, yes! I used to love breaking things for the hell of it. I grew very tall very quickly so I also had problems with bashing my head on things etc



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29 Mar 2010, 7:07 am

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The "Man Trance"
"If testosterone were beer, a 9-year-old boy would be getting the equivalent of a cup a day. But a 15-year-old would be getting the equivalent of nearly two gallons a day. This fuels their sexual engines and makes it impossible for them to stop thinking about female body parts and sex.


Yes, I have wanted a girlfriend, yes, I have had crushes, but I've never found myself thinking about their body parts or having a desire for sex. It doesn't interest me. I don't know if I'm somehow hard-wired differently or what, but there it is.



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29 Mar 2010, 1:16 pm

*scratches* Having a crush, yet not remembering their body and face. Ok so it's possible for some people, I guess. The meaning of what a crush is continues to confuse me.



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29 Mar 2010, 1:59 pm

Back in the day when I was imbibing two gallons of testosterone a day, all that happened was that I sprouted hair all over my body and pumped with my left hand six times a day. I got through a lot of hankies in those testosterone-fuelled days. 8O



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29 Mar 2010, 2:18 pm

@PLA, I personally didn't experience surges in strength that caused me to break things. In terms of puberty, I think my girlfriends and I struggled most with hormones/periods and breast development. It's actually a lot to deal with....getting all kinds of attention you're not used to getting, and dealing with a body that seems to change at will and overnight - several times.


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29 Mar 2010, 3:03 pm

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Yes, I have wanted a girlfriend, yes, I have had crushes, but I've never found myself thinking about their body parts or having a desire for sex. It doesn't interest me. I don't know if I'm somehow hard-wired differently or what, but there it is.

The thing is that this is our entire existence. Since pre-puberty, those hormones have been affecting us tremendously. We don't think about it consciously. It's in the background. It's a shade of color over everything we see. It's a constant, subtle hum. It's the 'given' in any moment. We don't think about it, we hardly perceive it, no more than we perceive oxygen.

Some guys act out in a more visible way, accordingly... Certainly we can control our behavior, and we each decide our behavior differently.
Some guys have more or less of the stuff coursing through their veins. But on the average, variances aren't a big deal. We're all about the same.

So the difference might not be necessarily that you experience the impulse differently, but that you act upon it, or filter it, or redirect it, or interpret it differently.



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29 Mar 2010, 6:15 pm

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@PLA, I personally didn't experience surges in strength that caused me to break things. In terms of puberty, I think my girlfriends and I struggled most with hormones/periods and breast development. It's actually a lot to deal with....getting all kinds of attention you're not used to getting, and dealing with a body that seems to change at will and overnight - several times.


Oh jeez puberty was HELL for me. I didn't understand why guys would all of sudden want to talk to me, and why I couldn't stop thinking about them no matter how hard i tried. I also did the female version of as David M calls it 'pumped with my left hand 6 times a day' not to mention the emotional rollercoaster. I went from being on a level playing field, only being sad/happy if something directly happened that made me so (e.g. hanging out with my friends = happy, my cat died= sad) to crying because...well...i felt sad for no reason at all :S Oh and girls at my school started acting wierd/bitchy all of a sudden...

Did you by any chance have that emotional thing going on as well, HopeGrows?



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29 Mar 2010, 6:24 pm

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I'm still pretty convinced that there's a generally substantial difference between the level of sexual desire men have and the level of sexual desire women have, despite the opposition I sometimes get on that topic


Oh I meant to reply to this earlier lol...
Although it'd vary from woman to woman and man to man, I agree with you, but I think it's not the level of sexual desire which is different, we just express it/experience it a bit diffrently. In my experience (well i've only been me so i wouldn't know how others feel), women are more cyclic, and sometimes we don't feel like it, then in a weeks time we will immensly. Men have more a fixed level and it's there all the time. It's the same as the emotional diffrence between men and women.



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29 Mar 2010, 10:06 pm

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@PLA, I personally didn't experience surges in strength that caused me to break things. In terms of puberty, I think my girlfriends and I struggled most with hormones/periods and breast development. It's actually a lot to deal with....getting all kinds of attention you're not used to getting, and dealing with a body that seems to change at will and overnight - several times.


Oh jeez puberty was HELL for me. I didn't understand why guys would all of sudden want to talk to me, and why I couldn't stop thinking about them no matter how hard i tried. I also did the female version of as David M calls it 'pumped with my left hand 6 times a day' not to mention the emotional rollercoaster. I went from being on a level playing field, only being sad/happy if something directly happened that made me so (e.g. hanging out with my friends = happy, my cat died= sad) to crying because...well...i felt sad for no reason at all :S Oh and girls at my school started acting wierd/bitchy all of a sudden...

Did you by any chance have that emotional thing going on as well, HopeGrows?


God, yes - puberty was a complete emotional roller coaster. To this day, when I realize I'm reacting to something emotionally, the first thing I do is look at the calendar. :roll:


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29 Mar 2010, 10:57 pm

My anxiety supresses my hormones I thnk. I seem to be getting more and more androgenous every year, I really need to get on top of it all so my hormones can go back to normal.


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