Significant other demanding I defriend an ex-crush
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Nope, you're totally incorrect. A person can choose to be friends with whomever they wish, and if someone says otherwise, that's controlling behaviour, which comes under abuse. It doesn't matter if they're a dog, a female, a male, an ex, and/or whatever.
The OP said she's his friend, and he hasn't felt romantic feelings for her for a long time; the individual in question might just have an ASD too (I haven't checked), so it's probably impossible for him to make friends to begin with, but this is beside the point. There's no trust here.
Again, what if the male dictated what the female wears because he thinks it will bring male attention, which in turn will give her opportunities to cheat in his mind? Same thing.
Basically, in an IDEAL world the ex would have higher potential. However,in a PRACTICAL world, the SO wins. They each contribute in different ways and I feel like I need both.
I don't agree with demanding someone to ditch their old girlfriends or crushes on a whim, but sorry, but if I were your SO and just read that, I would also ask the same thing as she has.
You seem to be basically saying that in an ideal world, you'd be with your crush but you're settling for your SO in the real world.
That's a huge blow to her self esteem and probably really hurt her feelings to find out about (whether you told her or she gradually realised). Who wants to be second best, even in an 'ideal' world? You may feel the two don't 'compete' but to your SO, they definitely do!
If you want your relationship to steer clear of a nose dive, I would definitely recommend defriending your 'idol' and not mentioning her again to your SO. If I were you, I would also work on spending a lot of effort on making your SO feel like she's your 'ideal love' after this, to repair things.
Some of you just don't get it. There should be a course out there to teach adult aspies what is socially acceptable in the real world. In an ideal world everyone could date and be-friend anyone they wanted, no-one would get jealous or hurt, happy lucky blah blah. But this is not an ideal world. People seem to think they can just live by their own rules without even considerig the rules of society or the rules of others.
The only reason I know is because i've been thouroughly trained by my mother.
Actually, the rules of "our" progressive society state that dictating who you can or can't be friends with is abuse. Well, you know, that's what they say; psychologists and all that.
Of course, you can live how you want, whether it's being controlled by someone or controlling them.
Let me clarify some things.
1. I never had a romantic relationship with the ex-crush.
2. I have not gone to singles events ever since I've been seeing the SO.
3. The SO and I, in effect, had to retroactively figure out when we started dating. It happened so gradually that she and I still considered ourselves "friends" even though her relatives had decided that we had started dating. Remember this is the first relationship for either of us. There is no precedent.
4. Some of the friend-specific things that the SO found endearing and romantic were stuff appropriate for friends. How did I know this? The ex-crush did it to everyone. So, I did it for the SO. She seemed to think it was a romantic turn-on, whereas the ex-crush didn't (and I didn't).
5. The ex-crush and SO have completely different personalities. The ex-crush is much more bubbly and effervescent. The SO is much more serious and introverted. What's good for one might not be good for the other.
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Nice bait.
Nope, you're totally incorrect. A person can choose to be friends with whomever they wish, and if someone says otherwise, that's controlling behaviour, which comes under abuse. It doesn't matter if they're a dog, a female, a male, an ex, and/or whatever.
The OP said she's his friend, and he hasn't felt romantic feelings for her for a long time; the individual in question might just have an ASD too (I haven't checked), so it's probably impossible for him to make friends to begin with, but this is beside the point. There's no trust here.
Again, what if the male dictated what the female wears because he thinks it will bring male attention, which in turn will give her opportunities to cheat in his mind? Same thing.
It wasn't bait, Daniel, it was a suggestion to you that you don't understand the concept of an adult monogamous relationship.
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Basically, in an IDEAL world the ex would have higher potential. However,in a PRACTICAL world, the SO wins. They each contribute in different ways and I feel like I need both.
I don't agree with demanding someone to ditch their old girlfriends or crushes on a whim, but sorry, but if I were your SO and just read that, I would also ask the same thing as she has.
You seem to be basically saying that in an ideal world, you'd be with your crush but you're settling for your SO in the real world.
That's a huge blow to her self esteem and probably really hurt her feelings to find out about (whether you told her or she gradually realised). Who wants to be second best, even in an 'ideal' world? You may feel the two don't 'compete' but to your SO, they definitely do!
If you want your relationship to steer clear of a nose dive, I would definitely recommend defriending your 'idol' and not mentioning her again to your SO. If I were you, I would also work on spending a lot of effort on making your SO feel like she's your 'ideal love' after this, to repair things.
This!
What is coming across in your posts is that you wanted the ex-crush but you couldn't have her so you settled for the woman you are currently dating. She feels that you are staying in contact with the ex-crush so that just in case she becomes available, you can scoop her up and drop the woman you are dating. Well, would you? Is she right?
Nice bait.
Nope, you're totally incorrect. A person can choose to be friends with whomever they wish, and if someone says otherwise, that's controlling behaviour, which comes under abuse. It doesn't matter if they're a dog, a female, a male, an ex, and/or whatever.
The OP said she's his friend, and he hasn't felt romantic feelings for her for a long time; the individual in question might just have an ASD too (I haven't checked), so it's probably impossible for him to make friends to begin with, but this is beside the point. There's no trust here.
Again, what if the male dictated what the female wears because he thinks it will bring male attention, which in turn will give her opportunities to cheat in his mind? Same thing.
It's not the same thing. The same thing would be if the man dictated to the woman that she shouldn't stay close friends with her ex-boyfriend. Which lots of men do. Because it's a reasonable expectation.
Of course, you can live how you want, whether it's being controlled by someone or controlling them.
There is no such rule. If you think psychologists say that, it's because you haven't been to couples' counseling. No couples counselor would condone a partner being close friends with a former flame if it made the other partner upset.
I can really see both sides of this issue. On one end I can see how he wouldn't want to drop a friend so quickly. I am currently friends with every girl I have dated in the past. That's how things have worked out and I couldn't see just dropping them as a friend forever.
However I know that one of my ex's, her boyfriend has forbid her from even speaking to me. Probably with good reason though because I'm 100% sure she would cheat on him with me(physically) if the situation allowed for it.
Any friend you have should be a friend of the couple. If the person is only a friend of one or the other it looks really suspicious. I'd say that the OP's SO has a good reason to be concerned. I can understand the OP not wanting to lose a friend but the SO doesn't really know this friend well and it seems like she's threat more than anything else. OP, if you really value what you have now I'd say spend less time with the girl you were crushing on some time ago, and more time with the person who I assume you want to marry.
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OP, I believe your relationship with your SO has run it's course - for both of you.
First, you've admitted that if your ex-crush would have you, you'd consider that an "IDEAL" situation - and that's after 3 1/2 years with your SO. I don't know how you define a "crush" - but, "if she'd have me I'd be with her," is close enough for me.
Second, there's the idea that giving up this "friendship" is something you're very resistant to do. It seems to me that keeping your ex-crush in your life preserves the emotional attachment you have to her as your "IDEAL" - and that emotional attachment pretty handily allows you to avoid committing to your SO.
Third, your SO is moving half-way across the world for the "foreseeable future." That seems a clear indication that her career is more of a priority than staying on the same continent with you. (I'm not saying that her priorities are screwed up, I'm just saying you rank behind her career.) To me, that's also an indication that on some level, she knows you're settling for her: when she had to choose between you and her career, she chose her career.
Your SO has an exciting opportunity to start her life over in a brand new country. While I'm sure a break-up will be painful, the reality is that after 3 1/2 years, you two are not committed to each other: you're still carrying a torch for someone else; she's willing to leave you behind to pursue her career. I can't help but believe you will both be better off if one of you has the courage to face reality here.
@Danielismyname, I think you've already received good feedback from others in this thread, but I'd like to add my perspective. Successful relationships require sacrifice and compromise. Any woman that you have a relationship with will bring her own needs to the relationship - and meeting those needs will not always be easy or fun or painless. I've seen the tendency to think about relationships solely in terms of what one receives, rather than as the exercise in give-and-take that they are, expressed a lot on this board. It's flawed logic, and it doesn't prepare one for the reality of real world relationships.
One more thing, there is solid reasoning behind the idea that committed couples should pursue opposite-sex friendships as a couple, rather than as individuals: emotional affairs damage relationships. While they don't always lead to physical affairs, emotional intimacy with a person of the opposite sex can undermine the bond between partners, leading to insecurity, jealousy, mistrust, unhappiness, etc. So the question is, why would it be okay to risk a committed relationship in order to pursue this type of friendship - particularly when the friendship can be pursued as a couple? If the primary relationship is each individual's top priority, it seems to me that putting it at risk for a "friend" is incredibly reckless behavior.
Finally, establishing a code of conduct within a relationship that's designed to foster and support the strength, bond, and intimacy of the the relationship isn't abusive. It's an agreement - entered into willingly - by both individuals. The specifics of each relationship's code of conduct has to be negotiated, so that each individual does agree to it willingly, and abides by it. (And yes, those negotiations can involve disagreements.) The code varies from relationship to relationship, but it does have to be acceptable to both partners. If it's not, and one partner is "forcing" restrictions on another, that's a good sign the relationship should end.
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Either she trusts you or she doesn't, clearly she doesn't. The problem (for her) is, no one can control the universe. What will happen will happen - if you and the old crush did have feelings for each other, would SO want to prevent you from being happy with someone else, just to 'keep you' out of sheer possessive selfishness? My guess is, hell yeah she would. She not only doesn't trust you (as the saying goes 'guilty dogs bark the loudest'), she doesn't love or respect you as an equal, independent individual - she owns you as personal property. She's too insecure to allow you to be free. She's afraid she doesn't have what it takes to maintain your interest. She's probably right. Immaturity is not appealing.
The decision you have to make is: just how submissive are you willing to be?
I really would love to see what you think when the person you love starts doing this. Not just like... love.
You'd be shocked.
I don't bother to let things like that make me jealous anymore, because, as I said, I don't control the universe or other humans' behavior. Cheaters will cheat, no matter how vigilant you try to be, so why waste mental energy and make yourself miserable obsessing over that? Just don't get involved with someone you feel is that untrustworthy.
When I was a young punk yes, I was as insecure and jealous as the rest. But I now have relationships without concerning myself whether or not the SO has opposite gender friends or maintains cordial relationships with Exes. Believe it or don't, I don't care - but it's precisely what I mean by MATURITY. If you're still insecure enough to be worried by things like that, you're still IMMATURE yourself, believing that if the tables were turned YOU would be tempted to cheat, or you've picked a partner you don't trust. Either situation says more about the jealous person than it does about the victim of that petty emotion.
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I have RARELY told my SO that she was "forbidden" to see other people. RARELY. And she "obeyed" me (for lack of a better term) to a good degree.
But there are reasons for it.
#1. I forbade her to ever go anywhere NEAR her ex bf after we got together. Good reason, though. Dude was PSYCHOTIC. Something I've observed about people with psychotic exes is that they often go back, knowing full well and yet in denial that they will be abused again. I drove a wedge between those two so wide that there's more of a chance the earth will get sucked into a black hole before they ever see each other again.
#2. Not long after we got engaged, she was hanging out with a "friend" who got her drunk and made a move on her. Even though she said nothing "happened," I came down pretty hard on her (emotionally) for putting herself in that position. She never saw him again after that.
#3. After we got married, she went with a girl friend to our fav Mexican place for a "girl's night out." OK, I've seen the way her husband looked her, and that made me REALLY uncomfortable. So she ends up getting my wife drunk, which is embarrassing enough, but also reflects badly on me. So imagine what I was thinking when some other MAN drops her off at the house! She could have at least called me. Those people have cooled out a lot over the last couple years, but the damage is done. If I can't trust someone, I'm certainly not going to just let my wife run around with them.
Now, before you start thinking I'm a misogynist creep, those are only 3 incidents in all of 10 years that we've been together. Sure I have a little bit of a possessive streak, but you ought to see how she gives it right back! lol I just believe that holding a partner accountable is just part of a strong relationship, and anything I've done pales in comparison with all the times she's called ME out on things! I think both partners have a duty to guard the relationship. It starts with your own fidelity and commitment, but both people have to be willing to confront each other when there are problems or questionable circumstances. Some amount of jealousy is to be expected. If you don't jealously guard your relationships (I don't mean creepy-stalker kind of way, I just mean don't encourage iffy situations), it shows you really don't care that much.
My wife might at times (especially scenario #3) resent me for my attitude, but she also understands that I wouldn't feel that way if I didn't love her. If fidelity is something you value, one of the best things you can do is find someone who buys into YOU enough that you don't have to worry about yourself getting bored or your partner straying.
You're all still wrong people:
It's abuse to demand of an adult who they can or can't be friends with. If you're willing to compromise for someone's irrational insecurity, that's your choice. It's abuse for a male to tell a female who she can or can't be friends with, just as the converse is true. People can say, but plenty of males or females are like this! That just means they're all insecure and/or untrusting and abusers too.
The "right" thing is for the partner to let her position known without demanding anything. They can then talk about it. If the partner is so uncomfortable that she must resort to abuse, then she can leave, as the relationship has reached an unhealthy and untrusting point.
It's kinda sobering to see people think this form of abuse is ok. It's no different to any other forms of, as it's all for the sake of controlling a person for their own ends (which abuse is).
But there are reasons for it.
#1. I forbade her to ever go anywhere NEAR her ex bf after we got together. Good reason, though. Dude was PSYCHOTIC. Something I've observed about people with psychotic exes is that they often go back, knowing full well and yet in denial that they will be abused again. I drove a wedge between those two so wide that there's more of a chance the earth will get sucked into a black hole before they ever see each other again.
#2. Not long after we got engaged, she was hanging out with a "friend" who got her drunk and made a move on her. Even though she said nothing "happened," I came down pretty hard on her (emotionally) for putting herself in that position. She never saw him again after that.
#3. After we got married, she went with a girl friend to our fav Mexican place for a "girl's night out." OK, I've seen the way her husband looked her, and that made me REALLY uncomfortable. So she ends up getting my wife drunk, which is embarrassing enough, but also reflects badly on me. So imagine what I was thinking when some other MAN drops her off at the house! She could have at least called me. Those people have cooled out a lot over the last couple years, but the damage is done. If I can't trust someone, I'm certainly not going to just let my wife run around with them.
Now, before you start thinking I'm a misogynist creep, those are only 3 incidents in all of 10 years that we've been together. Sure I have a little bit of a possessive streak, but you ought to see how she gives it right back! lol I just believe that holding a partner accountable is just part of a strong relationship, and anything I've done pales in comparison with all the times she's called ME out on things! I think both partners have a duty to guard the relationship. It starts with your own fidelity and commitment, but both people have to be willing to confront each other when there are problems or questionable circumstances. Some amount of jealousy is to be expected. If you don't jealously guard your relationships (I don't mean creepy-stalker kind of way, I just mean don't encourage iffy situations), it shows you really don't care that much.
My wife might at times (especially scenario #3) resent me for my attitude, but she also understands that I wouldn't feel that way if I didn't love her. If fidelity is something you value, one of the best things you can do is find someone who buys into YOU enough that you don't have to worry about yourself getting bored or your partner straying.
1 and 2, I can see your point. Number 3 seems a little controlling to me though; it was a female friend after all, but I guess it works for you guys.
