What is this "confidence" thing?

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primaloath
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09 Sep 2010, 9:24 am

I'm finding these posts to be very helpful overall. Thanks, everyone.



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09 Sep 2010, 9:39 am

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To clarify, while I do not believe a person with confidence necessarily has morality, I hold that if someone believes confidence is a good thing, they are (consciously or unconsciously) immoral, because they place value in other people's success irrespective of the nature of that success, i.e. have a mercenary attitude. I suppose I tend to gravitate towards those who are unsuccessful and try to help them.
This is called codependency. Which is not to say that it's a bad basis for a relationship, necessarily, but that's the clinical term for it, and it comes with risks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codependency

Ideally, for me, relationships are based on mutual respect and equal power dynamics. The world is full of people who need my help, but the person I want as a life partner is somebody who can go toe to toe with me and stand by my side and join me in my fights and let me join her in hers, and call me on my B.S., and be called on her B.S., and do all of this in a context where she and I love each other from head to toe, hair to bone marrow, persona to deepest darkest secrets.
Confidence is a good indicator that somebody is well situated for that role. If somebody isn't confident, that's not necessarily a dealbreaker--but it indicates that I may have more power over her than I would really want in a romantic relationship. My job would be to help her become more successful and feel better about herself so that she can become more confident. And then, maybe when she's more confident, I'd consider dating her. But more likely, the more confident version of her would find someone else.

It's not completely beyond the pale that I'll find somebody to save and end up marrying her. But all things being equal, that's not what I'm looking for. And I would never want to date anybody whose self-worth depended on me.


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TH

that, to me, is a very beautiful and very poetic statement. wow.


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09 Sep 2010, 10:29 am

To me, confidence (or rather, self-confidence) is the belief I have in my own good qualities, the belief that I'm loved by my family and friends, and that I am a good and intelligent person who is able to do good things (even though I do not strive for a particularly successful career), and who is nice to be around, and who is worthy of respect. It is a feeling of being happy, safe and secure in my own life. And this in turn, makes it easy for me to be generous, kind and helpful towards others. I have my parents and a happy childhood to thank for my self-confidence. :)



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09 Sep 2010, 12:10 pm

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To me, confidence (or rather, self-confidence) is the belief I have in my own good qualities, the belief that I'm loved by my family and friends, and that I am a good and intelligent person who is able to do good things (even though I do not strive for a particularly successful career), and who is nice to be around, and who is worthy of respect. It is a feeling of being happy, safe and secure in my own life. And this in turn, makes it easy for me to be generous, kind and helpful towards others. I have my parents and a happy childhood to thank for my self-confidence. :)
this sounds like a really good explanation.


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09 Sep 2010, 12:12 pm

There is no difference. It's all in the perception.



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09 Sep 2010, 3:20 pm

Laz wrote:
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People who are not confident tend to be jerks.


:?: :!:
would you please provide relevant examples of this? are the folks posting on this thread, who have described their lack-of confidence, jerks also?
the french have a nice bon mot used to describe people "who know what to do" - savoir faire.


You can get non confident people who display it as jerkiness, and some who just doubt themselves. Its where the persons personality type comes into play.


See the mysoginists of wrong planet for further examples


I am officially one of these guys who want women just wearing an apron in the kitchen to make me a sandwich.



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09 Sep 2010, 3:28 pm

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Confidence is the consequence of a good self-esteem and Good self-esteem is the product of self's achievements ...and yes , how people view this self. And loving oneself is the product of two combined. So one has to deal those sequentially before achieving the non-narcissistic and non-delusional of self-loving.


First of all , human's confidence is not a single entity. Toad can be confident in chanting , but he's not confident in approaching girls. Newton is confident in physics and math, but he might not be confident in poetry. No one can be confident about everything.


Telling advices like "Be more confidence" , "have a good self-esteem" , "love your self" to a person who's already hating himself is useless and delusional.

Is like telling an atheist "in order to get that girl , you need to be a Muslim" , he might act like a Muslim ,pray like a Muslim , practice Islamic rituals , but he's not really one ....so for how long he would be able to act? And for how long he can deceive himself and the others? not too long ,really.

As an extreme atheist , I have no faith in faith =p. To me, any kind of faith is unreal and unreliable.

For instance, you can say hundreds of times "I believe in myself, I believe I can excel the math exam!! !" , you might really start to believe that you can pass the math exam but if you SUCK at math , you would never pass the math exam regardless how much you would brainwash yourself.

The only way to pass a math exam when you suck at math is by studying hard and becoming little better .....then only then you may have a chance to pass the math exam.

How many contestants with terrible voices came to the American Idol's admission test so confident and with high spirit? Some of them were as confident as those passed , if not even more!

The result? Those with good voices passed and become more confident in their singing ability , and those who were mocked and ridiculed by the judges ended up with a broken spirit and might never sing in public again. Tell us , smarties with smarty advices , how having confidence in singing with no real basis and believing in self did any good to them?

That's life and that how humans are. Belief is useless.


A persons NEEDS a proof that he's a good in doing "X" (activity,profession,skill ...anything) in order to be confident in doing X , only by doing X good. This proof might be a grade or approval by others or any other tangible proof of his success.

The more a person gets proofs of how good he is in doing X , Y , Z , A .....the more he feels his self-worth is higher, and the higher his self-worth , the higher his self-loving.

A person NEEDS a proof for his worth/achievements in order to love himself.


So here the Hale_bopp's advice comes in handy : Improve yourself.

It's only by improving yourself you might become better in doing things that you always wished doing them good. And only then you might become more confident.


Having confidence in something you do or you're willing to do is the consequence of how much you proved yourself (and how much approved by others) before in doing the same thing.

Now , you might ask : what if it was the first time ? Are you saying that one can't have confidence in doing something for the first time?

My answer: Yes, it's impossible , in this case one should have courage. Do not confuse confidence with courage.




So my advice is : DITCH the belief and seek for evidences and proofs!


^ from another thread.



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09 Sep 2010, 3:34 pm

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I am officially one of these guys who want women just wearing an apron in the kitchen to make me a sandwich.

You need to make up your mind Pea.

sometimes you portray yourself as sensitive and caring and other times you make beleive your a mysoginist prick, which is it?

Its very off putting to women that you have a double life, it makes one not trust you or know who you are.



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09 Sep 2010, 4:14 pm

meh......sandwich is easy ....sandwich is silly....


but if she can make beautiful cupcakes ,then I'd worship her :lol: ....



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09 Sep 2010, 4:32 pm

IndispensablePG wrote:
Laz wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
foomith wrote:
People who are not confident tend to be jerks.


:?: :!:
would you please provide relevant examples of this? are the folks posting on this thread, who have described their lack-of confidence, jerks also?
the french have a nice bon mot used to describe people "who know what to do" - savoir faire.


You can get non confident people who display it as jerkiness, and some who just doubt themselves. Its where the persons personality type comes into play.


See the mysoginists of wrong planet for further examples


I am officially one of these guys who want women just wearing an apron in the kitchen to make me a sandwich.
now you are getting your apron all in a knot IndispensablePG! go back in the kitchen and whip me up something yummy! :lol:


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09 Sep 2010, 6:00 pm

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09 Sep 2010, 6:55 pm

Is this something that can be developed or acquired, or is it something one is born with?


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09 Sep 2010, 7:07 pm

To me, it's knowing exactly where you stand in society/life, and being totally comfortable with your position. It's about being content with yourself, and not giving a s**t if someone else has a problem with it. :P


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09 Sep 2010, 8:20 pm

IndispensablePG wrote:
I am officially one of these guys who want women just wearing an apron in the kitchen to make me a sandwich.


why must they wear an apron? :wink:



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10 Sep 2010, 6:01 am

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Is this something that can be developed or acquired, or is it something one is born with?
Self-confidence is not something you're born with. It needs to be developed and nurtured through love and support from your parents. It is not strictly necessary to be good at anything in particular, but it often helps - since people often thrive on the compliments of others. But a person with a healthy self-confidence will believe in his or her own worth regardless. A person can be dumb as heck in maths or English or history, or you name it, and still have self-confidence. But you need to have been taught (from a very young age) that you're a good and nice person worthy of respect regardless of your achievements in school or at the workplace, otherwise you won't believe it.



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Jaydee wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Is this something that can be developed or acquired, or is it something one is born with?
Self-confidence is not something you're born with. It needs to be developed and nurtured through love and support from your parents.


Or years of therapy.

It's possible to therapise yourself. Tricky stuff.


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