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16 Mar 2011, 7:10 pm

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Let me remind everyone that Pandora_Box was having a thread earlier where he was under so much stress that he was entertaining the idea of aborting the pregnancy... when he wasn't the one who was pregnant. People can do, say and think really freaky stuff. We don't know why she cheated. Some people cheat because they're slime-balls. Other people may cheat because they're, for lack of a better term, temporarily insane. If she's carried on this affair all this while, she falls into the first category and should pursue a commitment with that man. If it was a fling, we have no way of knowing. These are details Pandora_Box hasn't shared.


She confessed. I didn't find out.

I loved her to the point that I didn't distrust her or disrespect her and I'd never go through someone's stuff even though I felt something was off.

She told me, she could no longer lie.

But a little aspect is that she had told both men whom she had been having relations with that they were the fathers. And the only reason she told me was because the man she was cheating on me asked her to marry her as well.

Her and her cheat man, she told me this, had been going on for 6 months. Me and her have had a relation for 2 years.

So the reason why I had been being put off of our meetups was more likely because she was meeting her second man. I wrote another thread before in this section about her not going by her word or putting me off because she was going off with "friends".



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16 Mar 2011, 7:20 pm

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I still don't understand such pathetic people like her.
Why freaking marry or go into a relationship if they will just cheat anyway? = /


The way she explained it to me, she believed that cheating would make her love me more.

She told me that she was afraid of falling out of love with me. And thought if she wasn't around me, she'd miss me more.

Or some bullcrap like that.

At some point I couldn't handle it and felt like I was going to pass out. I was so angry, so frustrated, so betrayed, that I felt like I was going to lose it.

I still feel like I'm going to lose it. I feel like a little stick on the road ready to be snapped.


That's the stupidest excuse I've ever heard. Also like someone else said you don't have to stay with her even if the baby is yours. You can still be part of the babys life.



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16 Mar 2011, 7:23 pm

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That's the stupidest excuse I've ever heard. Also like someone else said you don't have to stay with her even if the baby is yours. You can still be part of the babys life.


Its hard when you're being painted the bad guy.

Earlier today me, her, and her affair lover had a meetup. It really should have just been me and her, but whatever.

He makes himself out to be all supportive, "it doesn't matter to me if its not my kid, I forgive you"

Where as for me, its hard. 2 years is a lot different from 6 months.

I couldn't live with either or.

I can be part of the kids life, but I just can't be a part of hers. Since she decided that she'd cheat on me. That's making the choice right there for us to not be a part of each other's life.

I can accept someone's decision without respect it.



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16 Mar 2011, 7:36 pm

Urgh get out of there asap, who wants to go to meetups with affair lovers, gross.



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16 Mar 2011, 8:08 pm

Okay, so now I vote securely with the "she's a slime-ball" party and she obviously wants out of this relationship. At least it happened before the marriage became legal. That would've been a mess to undo.

This is your choice:

1. Walk away from her and the baby. Don't ask for a paternity test. Just let it all go. The only risk is that she may break up with mr. six months in a few years and then demand a paternity test from you and, if you are the father, you could be liable for those years of child support as arrears.

2. Insist on a paternity test. Be a dad if you are a dad. The painting you as a bad guy is only for her to justify her poor actions. Even if you were actually the bad guy, that only applies to the relationship, not to being a father. The court supports you on this one. It's hard to go through legal processes but today's family court believes both parents need to be 100/100 for their children.

In both these choices, the possibility exists that you aren't the father, and if that's the case, you could simply walk away and never look back.

My heart still goes out to you during this hard time. I believe it's for the best that she revealed her true colors and that you're finally released of all the stress that this relationship was causing you, but this kind of thing really stings. At least you know you weren't the crazy one or the unreasonable one. She really was not properly loving you. I'm sorry.



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16 Mar 2011, 8:41 pm

I am asking for a paternity test. At least then, I can cement that I am not the bad guy.

Mind you I had always thought her pregnancy was weird. I could get into my sexual moods, but that isn't what anyone wants to hear from me I am sure.



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16 Mar 2011, 8:46 pm

I think that's the right way to go, because the bottom feeder will come crawling back and demand one if she breaks up with guy.

lol it would be funny if he breaks up with her, she demands one and you're not the father. lol, I guess the fact I think the b***h deserves to be a solo mother with no support shows I have no heart when it comes to this. :oops:

I do feel for the unborn kid though. Who wants to grow up with a tramp parent.



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16 Mar 2011, 8:58 pm

You know....she makes me feel guilty.

She gets so mad at me for feeling so betrayed. But....she has no right to be mad that I feel betrayed.

Then again I also hate myself for yet again falling in love with another woman who hurts me.

I always seem to choose woman who end up hurting me.

I don't know what's wrong with me sometimes.



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16 Mar 2011, 11:18 pm

for my money, getting the test then getting the hell out of there fast is your best bet. Even if you are the kid's father, weekend visits and regular phone calls are enough while you avoid the girl.

tl;dr My ex wife cheated on me after 5 years of being a b***h, i treated her like crap for 3 years to make her a better person and now we still live together (and will for another 2~ years) while she saves up for her new life.

Anecdote: I was married for 5 years and offered my partner everything, blinded by love I didn't realize how badly I had it when she assumed 0 responsibility for her own happiness. I urged her to go to school (I offered to pay for it) or get a job to help her make friends and establish some kind of life for herself and she refused, then she'd complain of how lonely and bored she was. After I left military service we moved into a temporary situation with a male roomate that she decided to cheat on me with.

I immediately made the decision to forgive her, explained that once I'd had the chance to get a grip on things I'd need the full story and we'd have to talk. When we did talk she explained she "deserved" to cheat on me because of things that happened before we married and "how poorly I treated her." I worked 50+ hours a week on a rotating schedule Noon to night, night to morning for 4 years, I supported us entirely and purchased her a car she could learn to drive in. I was always with her, I took her everywhere, introduced her to my friends in the hope she'd make some kind of social connection. Apparently, only doing some of the chores myself and not dragging her by the hair into the driver seat and forcefeeding her the skill of driving constituted the ultimate failure to fulfill her needs. I digress.

It took 6 months to finally get her to admit the entirety of what she did (but by then I couldn't really trust her). It was another 6 before she could admit what she'd done was entirely unjustified and during all of this she would throw my efforts to comfort her in my face (that's right, I, the victim of betrayal was comforting my betrayer because I was the only person within 6000 miles that gave a rat's ass about her). After a year she realized just how wonderful I had been because after a year of being lied to and told she "was glad it happened because it brought to light the problems in our relationship" (which it did, just not in the way she meant) I transformed into a walking victimization robot. I destroyed the narcissistic, spoiled thing she called a personality with constant references to her indiscretion and repeated infidelity on my own part, first with her "friend" then with a later roommate, citing it as justified because I couldn't get any validation as a man from a woman that had chosen to betray me as she had. Every time she complained I would thrust her own violation of my trust back in her face while mitigating my own transgressions because I was being honest about what I was doing. Every time she wanted to leave I told her to go, but pointed out that being the one to make a mistake and then just leave to avoid the fallout made her even more of a piece of trash than the betrayal itself, I also pointed out she'd have nowhere to go besides her family's home, a family that would judge her even more harshly than I. It was like emotionally flaying her alive and it forced the pulsating broken remains of her self to grow new adult tissues. i hated the person I became but I became that guy because I knew it would draw her to me, and I loved her so much that was all I wanted.

Now, 3 years later, she's amazing, a truly wonderful person that will never make that kind of a mistake again, but I can't be with her as a husband because I can't stand to look at her as a wife. i love her like I always have, i can't think of another person I want to keep in my life, but I can't be married to her. As a wife she's a cheating whore who's mouth drools lies. As a friend she's just the best. As an added complication she's confident she will never find love again. I may have accidently inflicted a case of stockholme syndrome on her (I never physically restrained her or forced her to do anything through violence or coercion, I simply refused to buy a plane ticket), then again, the few serious relationships I've had besides her have resulted in the girls being pretty hung up on me for a while afterward (they usually move on to another guy quickly but continue to have "feelings for me" long after we part ways).

So now we share a tiny apartment with our cats, I take care of the bulk of the financial responsibilities, she takes care of the rest and keeps the place clean and works so she can save up enough to to have a good start when she moves out in a couple of years. This is a whole lot of complication for trying to forgive. Just walk away and let the forgiveness be conditional upon her absence.



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16 Mar 2011, 11:40 pm

Pandora_Box wrote:
Tias wrote:
I still don't understand such pathetic people like her.
Why freaking marry or go into a relationship if they will just cheat anyway? = /


The way she explained it to me, she believed that cheating would make her love me more.

She told me that she was afraid of falling out of love with me. And thought if she wasn't around me, she'd miss me more.

Or some bullcrap like that.

At some point I couldn't handle it and felt like I was going to pass out. I was so angry, so frustrated, so betrayed, that I felt like I was going to lose it.

I still feel like I'm going to lose it. I feel like a little stick on the road ready to be snapped.


She sounds like she lies as she breathes.

Get a paternity test done as soon as possible. If it is not yours she can **** off and keep the kid.

If it is yours, then fight like hell for custody.

That ***** will try to stick you for child support if she can. Cut her off at the pass.



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17 Mar 2011, 12:18 am

Yeah, uh, haivng a meeting with the guy? Especially if you werent expecting it? Um, they are both crazy people. There is nothing left here.



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17 Mar 2011, 3:03 am

Pandora_Box wrote:
You know....she makes me feel guilty.

She gets so mad at me for feeling so betrayed. But....she has no right to be mad that I feel betrayed.

Then again I also hate myself for yet again falling in love with another woman who hurts me.

I always seem to choose woman who end up hurting me.

I don't know what's wrong with me sometimes.




Dude I didn't understand the situation, the way she explained it was total BS, don't meet with the lover, you should be pissed at the lover , pissed at her, get over her and never talk to her again or start looking for someone to replace here and keep her in the background until you do so you don't get lonely (if you can mentally deal with it). I would get far away from her and never talk to her again.



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17 Mar 2011, 3:10 am

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for my money, getting the test then getting the hell out of there fast is your best bet. Even if you are the kid's father, weekend visits and regular phone calls are enough while you avoid the girl.

tl;dr My ex wife cheated on me after 5 years of being a b***h, i treated her like crap for 3 years to make her a better person and now we still live together (and will for another 2~ years) while she saves up for her new life.

Anecdote: I was married for 5 years and offered my partner everything, blinded by love I didn't realize how badly I had it when she assumed 0 responsibility for her own happiness. I urged her to go to school (I offered to pay for it) or get a job to help her make friends and establish some kind of life for herself and she refused, then she'd complain of how lonely and bored she was. After I left military service we moved into a temporary situation with a male roomate that she decided to cheat on me with.

I immediately made the decision to forgive her, explained that once I'd had the chance to get a grip on things I'd need the full story and we'd have to talk. When we did talk she explained she "deserved" to cheat on me because of things that happened before we married and "how poorly I treated her." I worked 50+ hours a week on a rotating schedule Noon to night, night to morning for 4 years, I supported us entirely and purchased her a car she could learn to drive in. I was always with her, I took her everywhere, introduced her to my friends in the hope she'd make some kind of social connection. Apparently, only doing some of the chores myself and not dragging her by the hair into the driver seat and forcefeeding her the skill of driving constituted the ultimate failure to fulfill her needs. I digress.

It took 6 months to finally get her to admit the entirety of what she did (but by then I couldn't really trust her). It was another 6 before she could admit what she'd done was entirely unjustified and during all of this she would throw my efforts to comfort her in my face (that's right, I, the victim of betrayal was comforting my betrayer because I was the only person within 6000 miles that gave a rat's ass about her). After a year she realized just how wonderful I had been because after a year of being lied to and told she "was glad it happened because it brought to light the problems in our relationship" (which it did, just not in the way she meant) I transformed into a walking victimization robot. I destroyed the narcissistic, spoiled thing she called a personality with constant references to her indiscretion and repeated infidelity on my own part, first with her "friend" then with a later roommate, citing it as justified because I couldn't get any validation as a man from a woman that had chosen to betray me as she had. Every time she complained I would thrust her own violation of my trust back in her face while mitigating my own transgressions because I was being honest about what I was doing. Every time she wanted to leave I told her to go, but pointed out that being the one to make a mistake and then just leave to avoid the fallout made her even more of a piece of trash than the betrayal itself, I also pointed out she'd have nowhere to go besides her family's home, a family that would judge her even more harshly than I. It was like emotionally flaying her alive and it forced the pulsating broken remains of her self to grow new adult tissues. i hated the person I became but I became that guy because I knew it would draw her to me, and I loved her so much that was all I wanted.

Now, 3 years later, she's amazing, a truly wonderful person that will never make that kind of a mistake again, but I can't be with her as a husband because I can't stand to look at her as a wife. i love her like I always have, i can't think of another person I want to keep in my life, but I can't be married to her. As a wife she's a cheating whore who's mouth drools lies. As a friend she's just the best. As an added complication she's confident she will never find love again. I may have accidently inflicted a case of stockholme syndrome on her (I never physically restrained her or forced her to do anything through violence or coercion, I simply refused to buy a plane ticket), then again, the few serious relationships I've had besides her have resulted in the girls being pretty hung up on me for a while afterward (they usually move on to another guy quickly but continue to have "feelings for me" long after we part ways).

So now we share a tiny apartment with our cats, I take care of the bulk of the financial responsibilities, she takes care of the rest and keeps the place clean and works so she can save up enough to to have a good start when she moves out in a couple of years. This is a whole lot of complication for trying to forgive. Just walk away and let the forgiveness be conditional upon her absence.



I don't know how you tolerated that behavior, stayed in the relationship, and now live with her in a similar situation.... I am sorry for you but this is the reality of many american men today, it is a sad sad sad day for men.



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17 Mar 2011, 4:06 am

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The way she explained it to me, she believed that cheating would make her love me more


This woman sounds toxic, and I am sorry that you are going through such a tough situation.

I echo what other's have said - get the paternity test and find out for sure if you are the father. If not, get as far away from her as you can.

Nobody with any empathy or compassion sets up a surprise meeting between their former partner and the guy they cheated on him with. That is jaw droppingly callous and selfish behaviour.

I wish you well, and hope in time that you find yourself someone decent - there are plenty of good women out here so good luck..



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17 Mar 2011, 4:22 am

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Urgh get out of there.


I had exactly the same thought before even reading yours!

Pandora, let them have each other. What a pair of sleazeballs.

It puts your other thread in an entirely different light though, knowing who her 'friends' are.

Sorry, get out of there. You're not being the 'bad guy' for sitting around being cuckholded. If another guy wants that job, let him. He probably thinks the kid's his or he needs his brain checked. Either way, not your problem anymore!

I think the paternity test is a good idea. On the (and I'm using this word very cautiously) bright side... if the baby is yours, you will only have to mind it half the time and since you know when you'll be getting him or her, that might allow you to adapt your schedule better than being plunged in head first to full time parenthood... (sorry if that was entirely the wrong thing to say)

@memeticist...not to derail the thread, but that story's extremely disturbing. What your wife did was wrong, but your reaction to it seems borderline psychopathic.



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17 Mar 2011, 5:20 am

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Yeah, uh, haivng a meeting with the guy? Especially if you werent expecting it? Um, they are both crazy people. There is nothing left here.


Yeah i'll say. "Hey, i've just had an affair, do you think it'd be cool if we meet up so I can show you the guy I shagged and get his opinion on our lives?"

like that's normal. They're both crazy by the sounds of it. Poor baby.