Dating Preferences versus Options

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28 May 2011, 3:45 pm

I think I must be too. But it would be nice to go back for a second round of it.


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28 May 2011, 3:46 pm

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I think I must be too. But it would be nice to go back for a second round of it.


Maybe in the future. I still have debts to pay off from the last time. :lol:



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28 May 2011, 3:50 pm

The article is built on the false premise that college men don't marry hot working class women because they don't have opportunities to mingle with them socially. But is that true? For men who never hold a part time job during college because they come from such a wealthy family, it is. But that leaves all the rest of the college men who need a part time job during college. It is at this time that they mingle with working class women- women they didn't go to highschool with (because they went to a middle class school) and women they won't be around after they get that white collar job. But while they are waiting tables or working in convenience stores after class, they are in social contact with these women. They date them. They have sex with them. But they rarely marry them.


There is a class divide that the author doesn't acknowledge. (Just like he doesn't acknowledge that pretty girls get degrees too.) College educated men really don't want to marry a hot waitress. They want to have sex with her, yes. But that's not the same thing. They get social benefits from marrying their classmate (who incidentally is no less likely to be hot). She will bring in an income to the couple that is far greater than the waitress, raising their standard of living, and when they have kids, she can be counted on to raise them in the same middle class way he is comfortable with. People stay in their SES comfort zone because it's where they are comfortable.

If college educated men really wanted to marry waitresses, they could. I am sure there are plenty of working class women with Cinderella fantasies of marrying a doctor or lawyer that they meet while working the same minimum wage job as he slogs his way through school. Waving that Cinderella flag at these women has probably gotten a lot of college men laid who had absolutely no intention of letting a Hooters waitress bear and raise his future kids. But marry them? They can but they don't. Because they don't want to. They want sex with the waitress while former college classmate wife plays math games with their son to Einsteinify him.

Arnold Schwarzenegger (cited in the article) is no different. He didn't want to marry a maid. He just wanted to have sex with one, while marrying a woman positioned to help his political career.

Some guy in the comment section said the same as this post (more to the point): "Sure I'll bang a dim cutie, maybe even for several months. But I won't wife a junior college flunkie."



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28 May 2011, 4:42 pm

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the article is one man's opinion, based on no research at all. it provides an excuse for those men men who are already shallow to feel okay with judging women primarily on looks. men are not universally shallow like that, so the article is unfair to both men and women. we are not walking generalizations! lotsa guys find fat women hot, and a confident fat woman is much sought after - not just settled for.

What did you expect its roissy(a well known misogynist)?.

Edit: The guy has some very valid points through the article such as the proximity thing and how things changed completely on a different enviroment(the speed dating thingy) but the whole
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And for a lot of desperate losers, sticking a dick in a wet, flabby, porcine hole beats celibacy.

Made me lose any respect I may have had for the author.



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28 May 2011, 4:49 pm

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Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.


Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.



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28 May 2011, 4:52 pm

Really?


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28 May 2011, 5:06 pm

Yes, really, maybe not in your case, but the typical regular girl usually has more options (but her preferences are usually more strict) to select from than the typical regular guy.

It's natural.



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28 May 2011, 5:14 pm

I wouldnt say so. I have met a lot of typical regular females who struggled with dating. Happy endings are not guaranteed for anyone.


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28 May 2011, 5:18 pm

The availability of options doesn't guarantee that there won't be any struggle with dating.



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28 May 2011, 5:20 pm

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If college educated men really wanted to marry waitresses, they could. I am sure there are plenty of working class women with Cinderella fantasies of marrying a doctor or lawyer that they meet while working the same minimum wage job as he slogs his way through school. Waving that Cinderella flag at these women has probably gotten a lot of college men laid who had absolutely no intention of letting a Hooters waitress bear and raise his future kids. But marry them? They can but they don't. Because they don't want to. They want sex with the waitress while former college classmate wife plays math games with their son to Einsteinify him.


So have Ovid, Strabo, George Bernard Shaw, & et al. have they wasted there time creating there's fantasies?
If so do we need to get rid of the Rhodopis', Eliza Doolittle's & Vivian Ward's(Pretty Woman) out of the zeitgeist?



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28 May 2011, 5:23 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
TB wrote:
Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.


Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.


Women have more options for sex, but not more options for marriage (or even serious dating). The blog's followers apparently don't agree with this article, according to the comments. According to them, they'll have sex with women they wouldn't even have breakfast with, let alone children (which is the opposite of what the article says). So women have more options for men who will have sex with them and then kick them out of bed before the sheets even cool off.



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28 May 2011, 5:25 pm

Janissy wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
TB wrote:
Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.


Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.


Women have more options for sex, but not more options for marriage (or even serious dating). The blog's followers apparently don't agree with this article, according to the comments. According to them, they'll have sex with women they wouldn't even have breakfast with, let alone children (which is the opposite of what the article says). So women have more options for men who will have sex with them and then kick them out of bed before the sheets even cool off.


I wasn't talking about sex nor marriage, I was talking about mere dating.



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28 May 2011, 5:28 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
TB wrote:
Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.


Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.


Women have more options for sex, but not more options for marriage (or even serious dating). The blog's followers apparently don't agree with this article, according to the comments. According to them, they'll have sex with women they wouldn't even have breakfast with, let alone children (which is the opposite of what the article says). So women have more options for men who will have sex with them and then kick them out of bed before the sheets even cool off.


I wasn't talking about sex nor marriage, I was talking about mere dating.


Mere dating is not the key to happiness. It is having something concrete come out of the dating which is equally hard for both genders.


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28 May 2011, 5:30 pm

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If college educated men really wanted to marry waitresses, they could. I am sure there are plenty of working class women with Cinderella fantasies of marrying a doctor or lawyer that they meet while working the same minimum wage job as he slogs his way through school. Waving that Cinderella flag at these women has probably gotten a lot of college men laid who had absolutely no intention of letting a Hooters waitress bear and raise his future kids. But marry them? They can but they don't. Because they don't want to. They want sex with the waitress while former college classmate wife plays math games with their son to Einsteinify him.


So have Ovid, Strabo, George Bernard Shaw, & et al. have they wasted there time creating there's fantasies?
If so do we need to get rid of the Rhodopis', Eliza Doolittle's & Vivian Ward's(Pretty Woman) out of the zeitgeist?


No we don't need to get them out of the zeitgeist. They are popular fantasies. There's a reason why I get your references. They are popular fantasies for women. I've enjoyed those works. Lots of women have. There are men who like them too, but the audience for that sort of fare seems to be heavily female. There are men who also have that fantasy of re-making a working class girl into high society. But it doesn't seem to translate much into reality. It's probably just too much work and a lot of men probably have the sneaking suspicion that it wouldn't be all that succesful and so is best to stay fantasy.



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28 May 2011, 5:53 pm

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Janissy wrote:
If college educated men really wanted to marry waitresses, they could. I am sure there are plenty of working class women with Cinderella fantasies of marrying a doctor or lawyer that they meet while working the same minimum wage job as he slogs his way through school. Waving that Cinderella flag at these women has probably gotten a lot of college men laid who had absolutely no intention of letting a Hooters waitress bear and raise his future kids. But marry them? They can but they don't. Because they don't want to. They want sex with the waitress while former college classmate wife plays math games with their son to Einsteinify him.


So have Ovid, Strabo, George Bernard Shaw, & et al. have they wasted there time creating there's fantasies?
If so do we need to get rid of the Rhodopis', Eliza Doolittle's & Vivian Ward's(Pretty Woman) out of the zeitgeist?


No we don't need to get them out of the zeitgeist. They are popular fantasies. There's a reason why I get your references. They are popular fantasies for women. I've enjoyed those works. Lots of women have. There are men who like them too, but the audience for that sort of fare seems to be heavily female. There are men who also have that fantasy of re-making a working class girl into high society. But it doesn't seem to translate much into reality. It's probably just too much work and a lot of men probably have the sneaking suspicion that it wouldn't be all that succesful and so is best to stay fantasy.


So why can't man have the same type of fantasy?

You're find one such fantasy to be both "Einstenify" and for men, in the form of Pygmalion, in Greek mythology, drama, musical and film. Sometime this fantasy goes by the name of My Fair Lady.



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28 May 2011, 6:33 pm

Janissy, this is true. most people marry other people of similar socioeconomic and educational background. there is more to marriage than sex, and very few people choose life partners based on sexual attraction alone. also - the major point that blows this s**t out of that water - was the part you mentioned about college women often being hot. also note the author picked a ridiculous example too - schwarzenegger's wife is much more stereotypically beautiful/slim than the other woman.


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