I think it's all about the Tomboy girls

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05 Sep 2012, 7:07 am

I'm what you could consider a Tom Boy. I've found that in general, men are either in awe of my capabilities (they are usually already attached funnily enough) or intimidated by them. I always put it down to men by nature needing to swoop in and do the knight in shining armor thing and save the damsel in distress, but since I can change a tyre myself, service my car, put up fences, use a chainsaw and even ride my own horse, I've never needed the whole swooping thing.
My independence has perhaps cause a few to back off, but I won't compromise myself, so until then I'll be in my tower keep a lookout for a guy that is man enough not to feel as though I'm treading on his knightly manliness and then maybe he'll be able to witness the other side of me that only comes out on special occasions... because good things come to those who wait :wink:



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05 Sep 2012, 8:56 am

I am also considered a tomboy as I don't wear make up and have a very smutty, below the brow sense of humour. People seem to find this amusing about me lol.


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05 Sep 2012, 11:02 am

351Boss wrote:
I always put it down to men by nature needing to swoop in and do the knight in shining armor thing and save the damsel in distress


Bleh. Relationships may be the only turf where I can understand the feelings of the opposite sex better than my own (if what you say is generally true.) I mean saving someone/sweeping them off their feet is fun, but romantic? No.



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05 Sep 2012, 3:29 pm

Very cool reading your responses..... Maybe tomboys are more mysterious, a few of you referenced how if you like a guy, you may let out a bit of your girly side, and I mentioned I've sen this kind of thing myself. It's mysterious, sexy, I dunno how to articulate this, but it's cool stuff.

There's a sexual aspect to this as well that wouldn't be appropriate to discuss, it gets into some deep dark psychology that might be taboo lol

In terms of of tomboys being like one of the guys, yes, and forgive us males for indulging in this, but we really dont want to see Beaches staring Nick Notle and Barbara Streisand, we want are chicks to be into horror and action movies. We like that you think it's cute that we love legos because you do to.

And at the end of the day, you're significant other is your best friend for life whether you like it or not right? So, again, it is an indulgence for us males to have a best friend that may be more like a dude.


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05 Sep 2012, 4:25 pm

Two beautiful words, "Low. Maintenance."


ahhhhhhh.... :thumright:



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05 Sep 2012, 6:46 pm

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For example, if a man carries a woman's "purse" around in a busy public area he would likely get taunted and laughed at almost immediately.


Again, my 'hippie' friends do this, and my dad even has a leather purse for money, and he doesn't get bagged out any more than I do with a backpack.

Knight in shining armour thing gets me too. I can change tyres and lift my on music gear in and out of my car etc but guys always swoop in and want to help, and well, if they insist I let them but I'd rather do it myself. I hate people looking after me. I scare a lot of guys off for this reason.


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05 Sep 2012, 7:31 pm

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For example, if a man carries a woman's "purse" around in a busy public area he would likely get taunted and laughed at almost immediately.


Again, my 'hippie' friends do this, and my dad even has a leather purse for money, and he doesn't get bagged out any more than I do with a backpack.

Knight in shining armour thing gets me too. I can change tyres and lift my on music gear in and out of my car etc but guys always swoop in and want to help, and well, if they insist I let them but I'd rather do it myself. I hate people looking after me. I scare a lot of guys off for this reason.


I guess part of the reason hippies often have large beards is to counter the feminine look of other things about them.



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06 Sep 2012, 2:16 am

I like to look and dress girly and be feminine and I also hate girls that drop guys like objects. I have to admit, I dislike tomboys. I can't help but say ew. I get where you are getting at, but girly girls are cool too. I'm also very open-minded, but very traditional and loyal to my guy.



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06 Sep 2012, 4:26 am

I used to share a similar mentality
Right now I personally find that looking for a certain stereotype of person isnt actually helpful and you need to look for whats the person like rather than how they dress...


I have spent my life among full blown princesses(downsides to living on a golf course) and I can certainly tell you that I cant usually stand this sort of girls. However I can also say that some of this princesses Ive met have been very down to earth and Ive got along with them just fine.

Opposite thing can be said about one of the less girly types. Ive made a point to try to approach those since I find them more relatable to and Ive found some girls that I could get along with but I also found others that seemed to share the stereotypical princess mentality.

What matters in the end isnt how they try to present themselves imo.



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06 Sep 2012, 5:47 am

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I have spent my life among full blown princesses(downsides to living on a golf course) and I can certainly tell you that I cant usually stand this sort of girls. However I can also say that some of this princesses Ive met have been very down to earth and Ive got along with them just fine.



I live on a busy golf course in a small upper middle-class community a few miles outside of the city. I don't see many "full blown princesses" though. Maybe cause I don't actually play golf myself. :shrug:



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06 Sep 2012, 7:09 am

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spongy wrote:

I have spent my life among full blown princesses(downsides to living on a golf course) and I can certainly tell you that I cant usually stand this sort of girls. However I can also say that some of this princesses Ive met have been very down to earth and Ive got along with them just fine.



I live on a busy golf course in a small upper middle-class community a few miles outside of the city. I don't see many "full blown princesses" though. Maybe cause I don't actually play golf myself. :shrug:


I got to see them growing up and there are a small number of girls around the neighbourhood for some reason so they can have whatever attitude they wish to have and some of the males will still make a point to talk to them...



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06 Sep 2012, 9:38 pm

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I guess part of the reason hippies often have large beards is to counter the feminine look of other things about them.


For sure man, although some of them have beards because it's 'natural' or they don't shave cause they either cbf or they want to reduce the amount of stuff they buy. But yeah, they are very 'feminine' a lot of them, and hippie girls are often what people would percieve as more 'masculine,' e.g. a lot of them don't shave their legs or whatever. Personally I'm not a hippie and I do shave my legs....but as long as someone is clean and polite (two things that don't cost anything) I don't see why it should matter what they look like.


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06 Sep 2012, 10:33 pm

I was considered a tomboy for years for a couple of reasons(I don't know what the criteria are for being a tomboy

• I was heavily involved in the cultural/social movement referred to as hip hop - male dominated, street dancing was not rife with women when I began and it's still mostly a man's world. I got hurt a lot because I went full throttle at all times.
• Also part of te hip hop movement, I was a street artist(think graffti) for some time and that's generally not something a lot of women do.
• I have a tendency to climb things just to see if I can climb them, resulting in numerous injuries(both climbing and falling can be habit forming.
• I do a lot of house repairs for friends, because my dad taught me when I was growing up: he also taught me how to fish, climb, weld, build things with my own two hands, etc.
• I used to wear nothing but jeans, boots, and casual t-shirts because I have the urge to get dirty and head home bleeding.

I wear dresses and skirts and cardigans and dressy blouses nowadays. I was never a skater but I used to hang out with that crowd when I wasn't immersed in the hip hop world. I liked to participate in a lot of stupid, very potentially harmful activities. It was fun to get hurt.

I've had numerous broken bones at this point due to falling off of roofs and doing stupid tricks without proper practice on either bikes or boards. I can't do much of that anymore. I used to hang out in this fraternity when I lived in Denton and they had a 3-story house, we did "couch testing" off of the roof, we'd push couches off of the roof. I once fell with a couch.

I have a dirty mouth basically, crude sense of humor. I've been in a lot of fist fights, mostly with guys.

Et cetera, et cetera. I think I'm quite different now.



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07 Sep 2012, 2:22 am

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I was considered a tomboy for years for a couple of reasons(I don't know what the criteria are for being a tomboy

• I was heavily involved in the cultural/social movement referred to as hip hop - male dominated, street dancing was not rife with women when I began and it's still mostly a man's world. I got hurt a lot because I went full throttle at all times.
• Also part of te hip hop movement, I was a street artist(think graffti) for some time and that's generally not something a lot of women do.
• I have a tendency to climb things just to see if I can climb them, resulting in numerous injuries(both climbing and falling can be habit forming.
• I do a lot of house repairs for friends, because my dad taught me when I was growing up: he also taught me how to fish, climb, weld, build things with my own two hands, etc.
• I used to wear nothing but jeans, boots, and casual t-shirts because I have the urge to get dirty and head home bleeding.

I wear dresses and skirts and cardigans and dressy blouses nowadays. I was never a skater but I used to hang out with that crowd when I wasn't immersed in the hip hop world. I liked to participate in a lot of stupid, very potentially harmful activities. It was fun to get hurt.

I've had numerous broken bones at this point due to falling off of roofs and doing stupid tricks without proper practice on either bikes or boards. I can't do much of that anymore. I used to hang out in this fraternity when I lived in Denton and they had a 3-story house, we did "couch testing" off of the roof, we'd push couches off of the roof. I once fell with a couch.

I have a dirty mouth basically, crude sense of humor. I've been in a lot of fist fights, mostly with guys.

Et cetera, et cetera. I think I'm quite different now.


I'm totally not being creepers here, but my Spock-like mind, the way you described yourself is fascinating. You were hardcore :D You wear dresses and skirts nowadays, and seem to have toned down your behavior, do you think you found some lost feminine part of you?


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07 Sep 2012, 6:32 am

I wouldn't have described it as hardcore. I just had and have a lot of energy, and I was angry about social justice issues which is why I was a street artist. I wanted to say things to the town I'm from and that was a way I knew they would get the message and it wouldn't matter that I'm young and female.

It was never lost, it just made no sense to wear dresses etc. with my lifestyle. A lot of activity I did on a daily basis resulted in getting sweaty/dirty so makeup was a no-go. There was also no sense in doing my hair.

On special occasions when it was standard to dress up and look my "best", I did so without any trouble if it was reasonable. My very Jew-y grandmother raised me and when she realized I had AS(I was eight) she eventually concluded that part of my brain being wired differently meant I didn't necessarily thrive on fitting in. She taught me how to dress well and how to apply makeup without looking like I got gang banged by Crayola. No one of great importance ever urged me to be different than I wanted to be. My Bubby really made a point of letting me know who I was was never going to change if I was doing it for someone else so there was no point in putting on an act for the benefit of anyone else.

I just don't fit within gender lines in terms of behavior. I don't see myself as being inherently set apart from men. I know we have different bodies but I don't see that as so important that it sets us apart.

I feel like gender roles are just another divider in society and it's mostly arbitrary BS.


I still understand that being a female has a big impact on how people perceive me. I just don't give much of a s**t about it. When I'm polite and not cursing or saying crude things I'm doing it to put people at ease so they know I'm not hostile.

I'm still a very nurturing person and despite having no desire for kids I'm very maternal.

I don't know how to explain it, the duality. When people say I'm so pretty when I dress up and do my hair etc, I just want to tell them it's not that I look good in general, I just clean up nice. If I were pretty, they would've noticed it before these last couple of years.



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I wouldn't have described it as hardcore. I just had and have a lot of energy, and I was angry about social justice issues which is why I was a street artist. I wanted to say things to the town I'm from and that was a way I knew they would get the message and it wouldn't matter that I'm young and female.

It was never lost, it just made no sense to wear dresses etc. with my lifestyle. A lot of activity I did on a daily basis resulted in getting sweaty/dirty so makeup was a no-go. There was also no sense in doing my hair.

On special occasions when it was standard to dress up and look my "best", I did so without any trouble if it was reasonable. My very Jew-y grandmother raised me and when she realized I had AS(I was eight) she eventually concluded that part of my brain being wired differently meant I didn't necessarily thrive on fitting in. She taught me how to dress well and how to apply makeup without looking like I got gang banged by Crayola. No one of great importance ever urged me to be different than I wanted to be. My Bubby really made a point of letting me know who I was was never going to change if I was doing it for someone else so there was no point in putting on an act for the benefit of anyone else.

I just don't fit within gender lines in terms of behavior. I don't see myself as being inherently set apart from men. I know we have different bodies but I don't see that as so important that it sets us apart.

I feel like gender roles are just another divider in society and it's mostly arbitrary BS.


I still understand that being a female has a big impact on how people perceive me. I just don't give much of a sh** about it. When I'm polite and not cursing or saying crude things I'm doing it to put people at ease so they know I'm not hostile.

I'm still a very nurturing person and despite having no desire for kids I'm very maternal.

I don't know how to explain it, the duality. When people say I'm so pretty when I dress up and do my hair etc, I just want to tell them it's not that I look good in general, I just clean up nice. If I were pretty, they would've noticed it before these last couple of years.


It definitely is a duality, so I guess it's not that you had lost or never had a feminine side, seems like you were just being pragmatic in a lot of senses, or wearing clothes for function....logical.....I know if I asked a "tomboy" friend of mine why she carries a knife it would be for pure utility...why else ya know? That makes sense.

One of my things is humor, that's how I create a buffer when I'm getting to know someone. If I gotta be polite, I just get quiet around new people. But if I can get crude, I still gotta reel it in. It's cool to be around girls who can go along, although I still have a "gentlemen filter" most of the time.

It's interesting, I can think of three girl friends who are, they're all tomboyish in different ways, overthinkers, and non drama types, and they all don't want kids, but are totally nurturing people.


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