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16 Mar 2013, 7:22 am

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suddenly everyone is jealous of the rednecks in Alabama who don't have this problem :lol:

I don't think I would take her last name, I can't think of a last name I would like to have.
But I'm not going to force her to take mine. This melding "meeting halfway" thing seems like a decent idea, it's just a little awkward ... especially if you have two long last names. Knowles-Carter takes as long to say as just my last name :lol:


I thought it was interesting that they both changed their names to Knowles-Carter, putting her name first. I think that stands out to me because he's a very rich, very accomplished man... and despite my political views, I have no doubt that being friends and hanging out with the POTUS is not something a lot of people in the entertainment industry do.

He's a really powerful man, and she's a really powerful woman, and they both still use their stage names when performing but their legal names... I just think that's neat that such a powerful man would do that. I mean he's a trend setter in a lot of ways, he spoke out in favor of gay marriage and there were massive changes in the hip hop community(which is, historically, incredibly homophobic) and things started changing rapidly. It could be seen all the way down to the poor communities the music originally emerged... which makes me wonder if there are any people out there who might reconsider the traditional name changing arrangements of marriage.

I think it speaks volumes that they did that.


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16 Mar 2013, 8:18 am

I don't really agree with civil marriage.

Surname are quite recent, naming conventions we a bit different in the past.



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16 Mar 2013, 8:45 am

0_equals_true wrote:
I don't really agree with civil marriage.

Surname are quite recent, naming conventions we a bit different in the past.


There are many different naming conventions in the world. I know Russia has some weird ones, I don't recall what they are, a Russian exchange student told me sometime last year.

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I thought it was interesting that they both changed their names to Knowles-Carter, putting her name first. I think that stands out to me because he's a very rich, very accomplished man... and despite my political views, I have no doubt that being friends and hanging out with the POTUS is not something a lot of people in the entertainment industry do.

He's a really powerful man, and she's a really powerful woman, and they both still use their stage names when performing but their legal names... I just think that's neat that such a powerful man would do that. I mean he's a trend setter in a lot of ways, he spoke out in favor of gay marriage and there were massive changes in the hip hop community(which is, historically, incredibly homophobic) and things started changing rapidly. It could be seen all the way down to the poor communities the music originally emerged... which makes me wonder if there are any people out there who might reconsider the traditional name changing arrangements of marriage.

I think it speaks volumes that they did that.


Well, Knowles-Carter sounds better than Carter-Knowles too haha.
But honestly, as 0_equals_true has said, I don't even really care much for marriage in the context of legal recognition and/or name changes etc...
These are all small details, to me, that just distract from what marriage is; a union of two people for life. Nothing more, nothing less.



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16 Mar 2013, 1:26 pm

I personally would never change my name, because I'm the only surviving male heir in our family, and I don't want the family name to die out completely. If someone else is uncomfortable assuming a new surname I think that it's their personal prerogative, they shouldn't be required to against their will.



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16 Mar 2013, 1:32 pm

Both my real last name and my wife's maiden name have five syllables. Hyphenation would make our last name a ten-syllable word that most people couldn't pronounce correctly. Before we were married, we discussed all options, and she chose for herself to take my last name as hers, and use her maiden name as her second middle name. then when she became a citizen, she chose for herself a new first name, and used her old first name as her first middle name. Now she has five names, plus the terms of endearment that I use when we're together.

So, just call me 'Fnord'.

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16 Mar 2013, 2:34 pm

I'd never change my name, not because it is not traditional for a man to do so, but because that's my damn name. Considering how I feel about my own name, I would never expect my partner to change hers, that seems like a ridiculous thing to ask of someone.

She does, however, plan on changing her name to mine anyway. But that's because I have a hispanic last name, while her family changed theirs a few generations ago in order to pass for white. Basically she wants to do it, not for tradition's sake, but because she feels no particular attachment to the name she has and feels that mine would be more "honest" and "authentic."

A little odd considering that my own family, while they didn't outright change their name, did adopt the anglo style of one last name being passed down through generations rather than hyphenated names that changed constantly. So, if we were really going to be authentic, I'd hyphenate mine to include my mother's maiden name, she'd hyphenate hers to include mine, and our kids would have the same surnames as her, but in the reverse order.

But that's a confusing mess.



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16 Mar 2013, 4:47 pm

meems wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
We wouldn't have multiple choices.


Is civil marriage not legal in Lebanon yet... or are there just other restrictions on the condition of marriages that I'm unaware of? I'm guessing there are a lot of laws in Lebanon that I'm totally unaware of!




Not on its soil, the couple would have to go to Cyprus or Turkey...etc if they are wishing to have a civil marriage, but it would still be recognized locally and the divorce law would be applied according to the country's law where marriage was established (Cypriot law if in Cyprus..etc)
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Local- ... z2NjvNQ300

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http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Local- ... z2NjvNQ300


So "we" (hypothetical we so far, if I would ever get married one day) might have a chance for multiple choices of surnames but I am not sure about it, never thought about it in fact but it should be like divorce and inheritance as explained in the first article.

But there's still a social opposition against civil marriage so the person whom I would get married with might oppose the idea (and so her parents) but meh, it would be an idiot act from her part because it would be her loss mostly, I am a male and religious courts favor my gender in almost everything. I personally favor civil marriage and I doubt that I would get along with someone like that though in the first place though but who knows.



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16 Mar 2013, 6:03 pm

I am a bit old fashioned. I didn't expect my partner to change his name and I didn't want to change mine either because it wouldn't be the same. I kept it but I go by my husband's last name for short because I added it to my name. I still feel like a my last name.


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16 Mar 2013, 6:25 pm

My sister admitted to me recently that the reason she and her husband didn't change either of their names after they got married(a civil marriage) was because they put it off and people assumed she wasn't going to change her name... and people in his family tried to push her to take his name and his mom even said she was obligated to do that. That made her uncomfortable, because it was their business and the decision wouldn't impact anyone else, so it wasn't really anyone else's place to offer up their opinion in the first place.

They aren't particularly political, she apparently had thought she would take his name, not for any particular reason, it just seemed like something to do, something she would eventually get around to when she had more time. But they were at his mom's house a few weeks after they got married and his mom kept pressing the issue and my sister said, in order to end the nagging about when she was going to get it done, she decided not to and ended the conversation about whether or not she was ever going to take his name then and there.

I've always liked that she kept her name, though.


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16 Mar 2013, 9:25 pm

I took my husband's name. Didn't see any particular reason not to, to and I wasn't attached to my maiden name.



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17 Mar 2013, 4:21 pm

i always hated my very-common surname when i was growing up, and i wanted to change it once i reached adulthood but could not afford to do spend money on something like that in my early adulthood. so it was logical to take my (ex)husband's name as it is essentially free to do a marital name change along with the usual marriage paperwork.

i liked his name as it is fairly unusual dutch name. with his surname and my slightly odd first name (it's a shortened form of a longer name, but my full name is the nickname and not the long form) i have a rare combination, which i like. in the province where i was married, you can revert back to your maiden name at any time like when you divorce, but i won't bother. my ex-husband's sister got married, and her husband took on that same surname too.

i was reading that some couples make up a new surname for both of them that is a combination of the 2 names, like Crawley and Hunter would become Hunley or Crawter. or they both choose a whole new surname they like. i like these ideas.


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17 Mar 2013, 4:48 pm

It's relatively common in Finland that a husband may take the wife's family name and combination names are very common.

I don't think my identity would be threatened, if I ever got married and chose to have his name, but I certainly wouldn't take it for granted. I would expect to discuss about the different options.


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18 Mar 2013, 2:09 am

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Men - would you ever consider changing your name, like a hyphenated version with both of your last names? (Do you expect that your partner should change his/her name if you get married?)

I would rather take my partner's last name. Hyphenated names are longer & more complicated. People you deal with could get it confused or leave out part of the name & it can get messy on things like accounts or legal papers; some don't know how to handle hyphens or have space for a really long name. It's easier & simpler if we both had the same last name


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18 Mar 2013, 4:02 am

meems wrote:
My sister admitted to me recently that the reason she and her husband didn't change either of their names after they got married(a civil marriage) was because they put it off and people assumed she wasn't going to change her name... and people in his family tried to push her to take his name and his mom even said she was obligated to do that. That made her uncomfortable, because it was their business and the decision wouldn't impact anyone else, so it wasn't really anyone else's place to offer up their opinion in the first place.

They aren't particularly political, she apparently had thought she would take his name, not for any particular reason, it just seemed like something to do, something she would eventually get around to when she had more time. But they were at his mom's house a few weeks after they got married and his mom kept pressing the issue and my sister said, in order to end the nagging about when she was going to get it done, she decided not to and ended the conversation about whether or not she was ever going to take his name then and there.

I've always liked that she kept her name, though.


that something to do, is called tradition.



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18 Mar 2013, 4:32 am

You have different options in my country. So I could keep my own name, I could do gathered name with the name of my partner and my own one, or one of us keeps his own, while the other one can do a double name .... The thing is: With two different family names as parents, you can have complications in foreign lands, because they made some nonsense in the EUR bureaucracy. So in earlier days a child had the name of both parents, and a parent had the names of his childs in his passport, but whyever, they changed that. Which leads to complications, when you are in a foreign country as Mr. Adam Smith and you have a 5-year old girl with you, with the name Anna Watson. So because of this you better get some papers if you drive on holiday with the child, without the parent with the same name... So from my oppinion its better to have the same name as family, to avoid all that stuff.

And getting a double name, I dont see the sense of it. So keeping my name would have the advantage of not needing any new documents. (But then theres the trouble if the parent with the other name of the kids is in foreign country.) But if I change my name complete or do a double name, it doesnt matter, I have to all documents of mine with the new name, so there is no benefit to a double name.

My partner also would not have cared to take another family name, but his forname and my family name would have matched up to something like "Cindy Mindy", so it was no option if he didnt want to change his forename too. ^^ Both of us also have some old family names, that was once jobnames. Alone they are ok, but together they are a weird combo, because of of them could be misunderstood as something violent.

So both name together would have sucked, my family name would have sucked with his forname, having different names would have sucked, leaving only the classic style as solution.

Anyway I dont care, its only some sort of noises, I only had wished to avoid all that bureaucracy with getting my new documents. -.-



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18 Mar 2013, 4:22 pm

I kept my last name the first time I was married but everybody assumed I had changed it. The second time I was married I changed it because he was insecure about my keeping my name. Now if he finds anything with my old name on it, I'm worried that he'll think I left it there on purpose.

My mom made up our last name to make it look like she was married when I was born.


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