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11 Oct 2013, 5:31 am

There is as well nothing bad, when directly saying you dont like radical or battle feminist, because of you preferring, to argue people with arguments instead of yelling and opposing. Or that you dont think, that genders will come together and shake their hands to go into future as partners, when opposing each other on purpose. Nothing bad about that, thats my personal opinion about radical feminists. But being against feminism in general and saying, that this wouldnt mean that you are against woman is weird.

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I don't hate feminism, I do however have a disdain for women that join a movement about equal rights that simply have no idea what equal rights even means, or that the entire planet can't be equal 100% of the time as much as we would like it.
Never heard of a movement, having demands about equality to the planet earth. Normally demands go to people living on that earth, and free people are able to decide about their behavior toward that.
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Much like any movement it's a good cause that get's hijacked by idiots.
Absolutely agreeing with that.



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11 Oct 2013, 5:32 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The vast majority of women are varying degrees feminists (aka wanting equal rights..etc), it would be wiser to just say something like "I hate radical people with radical ideologies" that would include any radical and hateful branch of "feminism" (ie. like those who call for castrating males...etc)


Yeah, radical anything is so..unradical, man.



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11 Oct 2013, 5:38 am

Schneekugel wrote:
There is as well nothing bad, when directly saying you dont like radical or battle feminist, because of you preferring, to argue people with arguments instead of yelling and opposing. Or that you dont think, that genders will come together and shake their hands to go into future as partners, when opposing each other on purpose. Nothing bad about that, thats my personal opinion about radical feminists. But being against feminism in general and saying, that this wouldnt mean that you are against woman is weird.



It's risky.

I knew girls who call themselves "radical feminists", while they're ain't - or their idea of what radical implies differs than mine.

I am atheist but I don't like the typical radical militant atheist mind for example.



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11 Oct 2013, 6:55 am

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"I would prefer to date people my own skin colour" Translation: "It's not hard enough to find someone compatible -let's go ahead and dramatically narrow the field P.S. I'm a racist"

First of all, there is no affirmative action in dating, choosing who to date is a highly personal choice. What if someone finds Asians more attractive than black people for example. Is it just because you find people of one particular ethnic group more attractive than another make you a racist. Also, some people say that because of cultural differences. I posted a comment in another thread asking another WP member if part of people saying that they don't want to date aspies may have to do with ableism, she replied that she wouldn't call it ableism because dating is a personal choice and it's their choice not to date people with lax interpersonal skills. How is this different when someone chooses not to date someone within a specific ethnic group, whether it's due to physical attraction or due to cultural differences?
The attractiveness of someone, is something that you recognize, when you meet a person. If you are deciding already before meeting someone, that you want to think of him as less attractive, because of him having this or that race, its simply a prejudice on purpose by you. There is nothing bad if I say, that an asian men might be less often attractive to me, when I meet him, because of asians being in general rather small and slim and having an slightly female touch for me. But prefering to date this or that is nothing about instinctive affection when meeting someone, but an decision done out of purpose. Having the instinctive impression that asian men look in general a bit more female to me, is not the end of the world. There are still hot asian men existing for me, the general ratio simply is a bit lesser. But thats no reason to "prefer not to date" those. Specially when its about dating for relationships and not One-night-stands. For a one-night-stand I need high physical attraction and basic emotional attraction. For an relationship I need high emotional attraction and basic physical attraction. Someone reducing lots of people out of his "dating pools" only because of minor outer appearance reasons, expresses very open that he cares much more for outer preferences of an possible partner, while inner preferences seem to play no role for him. So an asien men might have less chances to impress me with his physical appearance, but still has the same chances as every men to impress me with his character, so there would ne no reason for me not to date those, when I know, that from out of the many reasons, that you fall in love with someone, only the reasons about outer external appearance might be affected. So I definitely dont want to date someone physically disgusting me, but basic physical attraction is absolutely sufficient, if you have other attractive benefits instead. While someone declaring open "to prefer not to date ..." simply declares, that he dont thinks that any amount of non-physical attractive benefits, could match out the "negative physical attractiveness" of a person depending on its race. And, sorry, thats simply a sh***y thought out of my opinion.


You're creating a false dichotomy between choosing to date someone because of their attractiveness and choosing to date them because of personality or due the things you have in common. If you're looking for a long-term relationship, then of course personality is important. However, that does not mean that physical attraction does not play a role in your initial decision to meet someone. If you're on a dating site like OKCupid, what is the first thing you notice about about other peoples dating profiles? Answer: their profile picture. That is why everyone talks about profile pictures whenever someone on WP asks for advice regarding their dating profile. There are usually hundreds of dating profiles on a dating site like OKCupid, so people see the photos first and then decide to read the profile to see if they have anything in common (personality wise) Though if the site utilises something like match numbers based on questions relating to their personality (which OKCupid does), then that might also be a reason why someone would decide to read a profile. I think it's the same when guy asks a girl out on the first date, though they may know them a little bit before hand. It is only after they start dating that they get to know each others personality.

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"I will not date someone even slightly overweight" Translation: "I do that thing where you mistakenly think it's ok not to address your grotesque personal failings as long you're honest about them"

Same as above, that's a personal choice. I personally wouldn't mind dating someone who is only slightly overweight but again, this may have to do with physical attraction which is more important to both men and women with regards to dating than what you may think.
Maybe I might think, that someone still thinking that physical attraction is THAT important for an relationship, that his expectations must be met by all means, so even 5 minor pounds too much are already more important for him, then someones personality ever can be... simply has no clue about what relationships are about. Or simply dont have totally other preferences about relationships as I do. Anyway: An relationships between us both, simply wont work, so there is no reason to start dating someone, whom I already know, that this hardly will be the person, I want to share the rest of my life with.


Again, personally I wouldn't mind dating someone that is only a little bit overweight but again, just because physical attractiveness is a factor, it doesn't mean that you don't also want common interests and things in common personality wise to have a long-term relationship with them. Though in my case, common interests and personality can be enough to override some negative things regarding physical attractiveness because that is in some sense more important.



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11 Oct 2013, 7:02 am

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If you have a preference for women and won't date men, are you sexist?
No, but you are ridiculous if you want to compare an real existing difference, that exists in general between men and woman, and affects many attributes in a broad variety, with the ignorable difference of skin colour, affecting nothing of any importance, when it comes to dating.


So? Some men prefer blondes or brunettes and women prefer tall guys. Those are also small differences. Did you know that some people date people of a certain ethnicity because of a racial fetish? If attraction and sexuality plays no role in dating and was only personality then, if we take this to the logical extreme, it would mean that straight men would have no problem dating other men, gay men would have no problem dating women and likewise with straight women and lesbians.



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11 Oct 2013, 7:21 am

Oh hello can of worms, you know I can't pass you without opening you, right?


May I propose that racism is equated with blanket intolerance these days when it actually is just part of human habit, such as tribalism etc. people by and large naturally feel comfortable with things that are similar to them. I am the opposite, and if you told me I could only ever choose from my own country and race for dating, I'd be really sad, but people like me are a small percentage of the total population.

All is good, as long as there is no hate and discrimination on a societal scale. Personal preferences have to be allowed for otherwise we'd all be Communist, as the pro-violence, anti-feminist said. 8O



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11 Oct 2013, 7:24 am

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If attraction and sexuality plays no role in dating and was only personality then, if we take this to the logical extreme, it would mean that straight men would have no problem dating other men, gay men would have no problem dating women and likewise with straight women and lesbians.


I have nowhere written that attraction and sexuality would play no role in dating. I simply denied, that for attraction and sexuality only the outer appearance of an person would have an impact. As I have written, sure I need a partner that isnt totally disgusting for me. But if he has a neutral physical appearance for me, the needed attraction and sexuality, can as well be offered by his personality. When you go into a supermarket, I think 80% of the people will not have an "hot appearance" to you. Still most of them will be in relationships and have sexual contacts with their partners, simply because of them having personalities, that sexual attract their partners. My partner is as well no chippendale, but I love him (which involves sexual attraction) out of tons of other reasons. Its not ONLY about personality, but its as well not ONLY about outer physical appearance, so avoiding people automatically, only because of them having a bit lesser chance to physical attract me, makes no sense, when it comes to dating.

And I dont know about the dating sites around your area, at least the professional ones, that are used around here like parship and others, normally automatically offer you profiles, that match with your own profiles, and pictures are not automatically seen, but have to be requested.



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11 Oct 2013, 8:16 am

Personal question for Jono (mostly because I have followed your other threads in this section for a while now): Would you, or have you in the past (and if you have, would you again) date someone not of your own ethnicity? Would you, or have you in the past (and if you have, would you again) date someone not of your own culture?

The questions are actually different and I have no particular wish to engage in the discussion on racism because then it would simply evolve into a discussion about how much racism is subconscious or conscious, a preference or a choice, as well as the conscious decision made about how to deal with it when you find yourself confronted with it.

However my above questions for you are probably somewhat pertinent considering where you live. I would also be interested to know how they affect your personal dating experience there.


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11 Oct 2013, 8:43 am

Kjas wrote:
Personal question for Jono (mostly because I have followed your other threads in this section for a while now): Would you, or have you in the past (and if you have, would you again) date someone not of your own ethnicity? Would you, or have you in the past (and if you have, would you again) date someone not of your own culture?

The questions are actually different and I have no particular wish to engage in the discussion on racism because then it would simply evolve into a discussion about how much racism is subconscious or conscious, a preference or a choice, as well as the conscious decision made about how to deal with it when you find yourself confronted with it.

However my above questions for you are probably somewhat pertinent considering where you live. I would also be interested to know how they affect your personal dating experience there.


I've only dated one person in past. My ex-gf that I was talking about in that break-up thread was, up to now, the first and only person I have dated. As for whether I would consider dating anyone of other ethnicities in future, yes I would. However, I do find women of some ethnicities generally more attractive than others (and the ones that I find attractive is not just from my own ethnicity) but even in that case, common interests could be enough to override much of what I might physically attractive, so I still would not necessarily have anything against dating them.

I don't really care what someone's culture is if it comes to me considering whether I would date them (unless they are overly religious but that's a different story), their personality and common interests are more important to me, while culture is not important at all. Does that make sense?



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11 Oct 2013, 9:08 am

I like feminists. I admired the Suffragettes. And I've a lot of time for Germaine Greer, less so Valerie Solanos...

It really depends if she's a kind person or not. If she's fought through her ideas, great. If it's third wave feminism, and just wants to get anger out that way, I'm not so keen.



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11 Oct 2013, 12:21 pm

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Not everyone against feminism hates women,


What else can one conclude about people who hate a philosophy that espouses equality of the sexes?


I don't hate feminism, I do however have a disdain for women that join a movement about equal rights that simply have no idea what equal rights even means, or that the entire planet can't be equal 100% of the time as much as we would like it. Much like any movement with a good cause it gets hijacked by idiots.

Would that be a sexist thing to say?

No. It wouldn't.

There are extremists in every social/political/intellectual movement. Feminism is no exception. In terms of personal views, I could be considered a neo-socialist but I still consider most socialist extreamists to be insufferable. I'm sure there are plenty of crazy/ignorant feminists but I've never actually met one outside of the internet (and I'm willing to bet most "Men's Rights" guys haven't either.)



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11 Oct 2013, 12:29 pm

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A few nitpicks:

"I would prefer to date people my own skin colour" Translation: "It's not hard enough to find someone compatible -let's go ahead and dramatically narrow the field P.S. I'm a racist"

First of all, there is no affirmative action in dating, choosing who to date is a highly personal choice. What if someone finds Asians more attractive than black people for example. Is it just because you find people of one particular ethnic group more attractive than another make you a racist. Also, some people say that because of cultural differences. I posted a comment in another thread asking another WP member if part of people saying that they don't want to date aspies may have to do with ableism, she replied that she wouldn't call it ableism because dating is a personal choice and it's their choice not to date people with lax interpersonal skills. How is this different when someone chooses not to date someone within a specific ethnic group, whether it's due to physical attraction or due to cultural differences?

"I will not date someone even slightly overweight" Translation: "I do that thing where you mistakenly think it's ok not to address your grotesque personal failings as long you're honest about them"

Same as above, that's a personal choice. I personally wouldn't mind dating someone who is only slightly overweight but again, this may have to do with physical attraction which is more important to both men and women with regards to dating than what you may think.


Regardless of justification.........Imagine going on a dating website like OKCupid (where most of those statements come from actually) and seeing some of those things on the list.

At best, they give the impression of that person being closed-minded, at worst they could be seen as biggot and even a creeper. Maybe those things don't bother you but to a good 99% of women, they are major red flags.......



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11 Oct 2013, 12:43 pm

Edited because I have realised that "all you people look alike to me" *hangs head in shame and goes to stand in corner forevermore*

this ties in to the conversation I have been having on this other thread with Boo.

My point was about his seemingly refusing to accept that people are allowed to be bigots and creeps and whatever they like, especially in personal relationships setting.

i.e. What is a point of having an OKCupid profile that attracts the kind of person that will never share your core values and therefore cannot ever be a good match for you? I'm sure octobertiger has some sort of diverse point that could be tacked on but I don't understand his unlimited thinking so perhaps he will weigh in with his own opinion.

Lookit this way: If it is acceptable to be a Chubby Chaser, it is acceptable to also dislike overweight women (not within the same person, obviously, as that would be totes weird)



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11 Oct 2013, 12:44 pm

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That chart is absolutely ridiculous. Not everyone against feminism hates women, nor is someone's preference for their own ethnicity a result of hate toward anyone else. A person can also be staunchly against homosexuality, and its not due to repressed shame or guilt. I think diagrams like that - even when posted in jest - do a lot more harm than good. They tie into the Marxist / Communist / politically correct "everyone's a victim but the majority" agenda.


You are a very very bad man.... :lol:



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11 Oct 2013, 12:47 pm

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Mentioning 'skin color' preference is often said by racist minds.

However, a lot of girls told me they prefer a dark guy, and those usually mean the darker variation of Caucasian. Same for guys who say they prefer blondes or whatever.

Aren't those preferences a bit subconsciously racist too?


That's not racist at all, that's just having a preference. There is a huge difference.



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11 Oct 2013, 1:10 pm

Schneekugel wrote:
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That chart is absolutely ridiculous. Not everyone against feminism hates women,
"I am against feminism, so I am against people thinking that both genders have the same worth, but I am not against woman? Ehm...sorry if you have the opinion that you are not against woman, if you "only" want them to accept that they are worth less then you, only because of their genders, but for my opinion, that means, you have something against me. Simply turn that mention against you: "Not everyone opposing, men not being less worth then woman, is against men." O_o


You are entitled to feel some of the ways you do, as you are a woman. But do you think men walk around thinking that all the women against masculinists hate men?

People are entitled to their opinions, maybe some people resent that feminism contributed to the 53% divorce rate in the United States that it is today. Yes some people have a chip on their shoulders, but that doesn't mean that they hate women.

It never used to be a problem before feminism, but now over 50% of couples end up divorced in the United States.

I don't know how old you are, but you should know better to at least have some empathy for people's views before you jump the gun and label them as woman haters.

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publicat ... of-divorce

Also, do you think it's right that public sector jobs have laws to hire certain amounts of women? If you do agree, than you are saying that women are weaker than men and really do need help, because men don't have those laws.

In closing, if I were a woman I would want the option to be able to vote & work & be afforded the oppurtunities that men do too, I'm not debating with you on that. But you can't deny the effects that feminism has had on society in general.

Please don't write a huge paragraph as your response to this.