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10 Oct 2016, 1:41 am

While of course some aspie men and women can have pretty bad personalities, it seems even those of us that are 'good' and 'decent' people can end up in abusive, toxic relationships, let alone have any at all.

For some reason every time I came close to dating a decent girl, fate had to take her away from me and leave me with someone far more dysfunctional and toxic thanI am.

I had a crush on this N.T. girl, and she liked me back. She's my friend now, we're both roughly equal attractiveness, we have 99% similar personalities to the point I've never met someone so similar, and whatever differences we have could possibly complement each other.

I didn't know all this at the time, of course, but I had a crush on her in high school and she liked me back.

Just before I was going to ask her out, she had to move away.

Now we're both fine with just talking and being friends, but still what's frustrating is the girl I ended up with after, my first girlfriend.

My first gf was aggressive, over-sensitive, had BPD, learning difficulties, severe depression to the point of suicidal thoughts, self-harmer, traumatic life and background, etc.

I was a good boyfriend from the very beginning, and from the very beginning and she was not a good girlfriend. It was short and terrible.

All I have is Asperger's, General Anxiety Disorder, Agoraphobia and Depression.

Why can't a girl I end up with just be a decent fricken person for once.

A normal, nice girl with maybe Social Anxiety and depression or something for once.

It's so hard to overcome Oneitis. My feelings for my now female friend sometimes come back and go once again, because she's the only girl I talk to now outside of family and it seems like I'll never have the chance to ever meet a nice girl even close to my age ever again.

All the advice on the net I see that tells you to overcome Onieitis says 'there's going to be more girls you can be compatible with out there' and to always be focusing on and pursuing other women.

I have no one my age I could have feelings for or try to date except for her, and I don't see this changing for a long, long time.

This is probably why you can't get over your ex, RetroGamer, because every girl you've dated after has never held a candle to how amazing she was to you, and have all been shy, depressed, mentally unhealthy and/or 'boring' girls who don't have much interesting things to say.

You're a decent guy, man.

Sure, you made some mistakes in the past with some Asian women online or whatever, and you would always complain about your previous Asian girlfriend, but that's only natural.

With the asian women online, you thought with your little man instead of your brain, but plenty of men do that. How else do you think the majority of other mail order brides get bought by men? And with your previous girlfriend, you had flaws yourself but she did too and was dragging you down, so it was right for you to break up with her if you ddidn't want to be with her anymore.

We both don't deserve this, man.

Sure, we're not 'entitled' to a relationship, but why is it plenty of good people end up with toxic S.O.'s? No one should ever deserve this to happen to them because a toxic relationship can ruin your life.



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10 Oct 2016, 3:58 am

What do you want with this person? What are your intentions and expectations?

I see any social interaction just as a way to hone, improve and expand social skills. Even practicing eating and really enjoying the food sensations quietly together can be fun.
That's why they invented diner and a movie ;)
Sharing popcorn can be fun :)

I don't understand the leap from a first date to living together :roll:



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10 Oct 2016, 4:17 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
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Are aspie guys just doomed to only date girls who are unattractive?
Not to toot my horn but I'm pretty f*****g attractive and my bf is aspies. I mean I am too lol.
I'm speaking generally lol.

Anyway I'll bet your bf isn't 29 years old like I'll be in 4 days. Of course you wouldn't want to to date a 29 year old so if you wouldn't want to date a 29 year old why should I want to? :lol:


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10 Oct 2016, 4:20 am

HelloSweetie wrote:
What do you want with this person? What are your intentions and expectations?

I see any social interaction just as a way to hone, improve and expand social skills. Even practicing eating and really enjoying the food sensations quietly together can be fun.
That's why they invented diner and a movie ;)
Sharing popcorn can be fun :)

I don't understand the leap from a first date to living together :roll:
What I want is to test the waters and determin if she's suitable for a permanent relationship. That's the end. Dating is the means to said end. I don't really enjoy dating that much. The first few dates with a girl are horrible for me but after five or so dates it becomes more casual and enjoyable.


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10 Oct 2016, 4:24 am

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My wife is quite shy. In some ways I think it deepens the relationship because there are more things that she shares with me and not anyone else.
Is she shy around you?

I think the girl I dated yesterday is shy around people including me. Maybe this will lessen overtime and maybe not. Maybe we won't last that long but I won't dump her yet because I don't believe in judging a book by it's cover. I will give her a fair chance.

One good thing is that she really seems to get me. She's had a similar life to me. It often seems to be that way with the girls I date. Nearly all of them were raised by single parents like I was. I guess that's because misery loves company.

She seems so similar to me but that means she also has the same flaws as me. I guess it's kind of a self-loathing thing. It's like if Narcissus looked in the pool and hated his own reflection. This girl is my reflection. She's a mirror in which I can see my own flaws.

Also she doesn't look like a supermodel :(


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10 Oct 2016, 4:34 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
What I want is to test the waters and determin if she's suitable for a permanent relationship. That's the end. Dating is the means to said end. I don't really enjoy dating that much. The first few dates with a girl are horrible for me but after five or so dates it becomes more casual and enjoyable.


So your question is if you should give her the chance of your 5 dates rule?
If that worked for you before, why not?

Imho 5 dates and then permanent relationship sounds like a heavy toll...

Seems like you have some kind of list/scrip that you follow? And I don't understand the supermodel remark. Do you mean that you don't find her physically attractive?

If she is a lot like you, then you might have at least found a nice, decent pal. Don't see what's wrong with that?



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10 Oct 2016, 6:24 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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My wife is quite shy. In some ways I think it deepens the relationship because there are more things that she shares with me and not anyone else.
Is she shy around you?

I think the girl I dated yesterday is shy around people including me. Maybe this will lessen overtime and maybe not. Maybe we won't last that long but I won't dump her yet because I don't believe in judging a book by it's cover. I will give her a fair chance.

One good thing is that she really seems to get me. She's had a similar life to me. It often seems to be that way with the girls I date. Nearly all of them were raised by single parents like I was. I guess that's because misery loves company.

She seems so similar to me but that means she also has the same flaws as me. I guess it's kind of a self-loathing thing. It's like if Narcissus looked in the pool and hated his own reflection. This girl is my reflection. She's a mirror in which I can see my own flaws.

Also she doesn't look like a supermodel :(


I think you put too much emphasis on appearance. Having an attractive partner is one thing, trying to get a supermodel class partner is ridiculously limiting.



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10 Oct 2016, 7:21 am

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Also she doesn't look like a supermodel :(
I think you put too much emphasis on appearance. Having an attractive partner is one thing, trying to get a supermodel class partner is ridiculously limiting.
That part was meant to be a comedic exaggeration. I don't really expect to get a supermodel class partner, I'd gladly settle for just attractive but seriously, I can't even get up to that level.


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10 Oct 2016, 7:44 am

Supermodels sometimes feel a contempt for others which causes them to think that they can be lax with "taking care of themselves" when they are not actually modeling.



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10 Oct 2016, 9:09 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are aspie guys just doomed to only date girls who are unattractive?
Not to toot my horn but I'm pretty f*****g attractive and my bf is aspies. I mean I am too lol.
I'm speaking generally lol.

Anyway I'll bet your bf isn't 29 years old like I'll be in 4 days. Of course you wouldn't want to to date a 29 year old so if you wouldn't want to date a 29 year old why should I want to? :lol:

Nah, definitely not. He's about a year younger than me. I'm 23 and turning 24 in February and he's 22 and turning 23 late November.


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10 Oct 2016, 12:52 pm

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Is she shy around you?


She stopped being shy around me once she got comfortable with me. She is quiet with most people but opens up around me and around a few close friends.

I'm more concerned that you don't find the girl you're dating attractive. In my experience that sort of feeling tells me that I'm not finding a connection with the girl. When I feel an emotional connection I am attracted to the girl even if she isn't objectively attractive by today's definition. Perhaps this will fade if you find enough intangible things you share with her? This is only my experience; you may see things differently.

At any rate, attractiveness is fleeting. When you're both home with the flu, neither of you will be very attractive. When you're in your 40s you'll both be carrying extra pounds and extra wrinkles.



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11 Oct 2016, 7:29 am

I don't know why I bother anymore. People much younger than me already have better relationships than I ever will. What's the point if I can't have a relationship at a normal age?


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11 Oct 2016, 7:51 am

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I don't know why I bother anymore. People much younger than me already have better relationships than I ever will. What's the point if I can't have a relationship at a normal age?


huh :?:

I was 27 when I met DH. He was 23.
I met many Aspies in similar relationships.

I truly believe Aspie males are more likely to have a successful relationship with a slightly older (Aspie?) female. It's a maternal thing.

I believe it was Tony Attwood that said that in 1 of his talks on working with Aspie teenage boys and young males.

And I agree about the attractiveness thing, that is very basic. Just like feeling at ease and comfortable with someone.
Getting that anxiety down is crucial. That's why so many Aspies are self-medicating with alcohol or cannabis or other drugs during the dating and even relationship process imho.



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11 Oct 2016, 7:56 am

Yeah probably. I was just looking through someone's Facebook page and found they were having their seven year relationship anniversary even though they're 23. The guy looks so much younger then me and yet he's been with the same girl for 7 years. It just sort of depressed me that this young whippersnapper has achieved so much more than me. It made me feel old yet somehow immature.


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11 Oct 2016, 7:58 am

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Yeah probably. I was just looking through someone's Facebook page and found they were having their seven year relationship anniversary even though they're 23. The guy looks so much younger then me and yet he's been with the same girl for 7 years. It just sort of depressed me that this young whippersnapper has achieved so much more than me. It made me feel old yet somehow immature.


Dude, stop worrying about others :lol:

Do something today just slightly differently then yesterday.
It IS that simple.

But YOU have to do it, dude.

As good ol' Nike said 'just do it' :lol:



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11 Oct 2016, 7:59 am

If I didn't feel the need to compete with everyone else I'd have no motivation to get out of bed in the morning :lol:


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