So, who here is a PUA?

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My two cents on this PUA crap - say you follow these techniques and you get the girl. How much respect can you truly have for her knowing she fell for some cheap tricks you read in a book? Aren't you always going to have a nagging voice telling you that if she was halway intelligent she would have seen right through you?

Just another perspective on the losing your virginity thing. Sex can be a miserable experience as well as a fantastic one and tossing your virginity away on the former, as I did, is no use to you at all. It makes you feel a bit cheap, a bit angry with yourself that you threw a piece of yourself away. Who decides that it's such an awful thing to be a virgin? Not the kind of person that you'd eventually want to be involved with.

The rest of that paragraph I can see where you're coming from except..

I see where you guys come from, and I think I failed to explain where I, personally come from.

I, myself, am different than most "PUAs" out there. I tell you (And this is from experience, and testing), most of those guys who teach pick up are pathetic jokes. Just like not everyone on this earth is the same, not all PUAs are the same.

Many of the TRUE, legitimate, PUAs dont even depend on routines, gimmicks, weird clothing, or canned material to get a girl.

The underlying principles (Self-confidence, building an improved lifestyle, positive mindset, etc...), are what it's really all about, especially the lifestyle part. I'll admit, I started with the outrageous clothes, the negs, the storytelling, etc..., but really, those things are meant to show you the underlying principles in disguise. When you finally understand what bigger picture is, that is when the true meaning of pick up emerges.

I'm no gimmick man. I dont put on elaborate shows or do scripted routines. A true PUA outgrows the use of those "Training wheels" (As I like to call them), and is able to use their improved personality to compete with the rest out there.

Hope that clears the confusion. Think of the fact that there are 2 types of PUAs: Legit, and fake, just like there's 2 types of people, or 2 types of identical shirts.

'albatross around their neck'

That is a new one on me. Do you say 'will you take my albatross?

@Blackbull I don't have anything against you personally. I'll take your word for it that you are genuine. I'm still not into this whole player/PUA lifestyle.

Ok I found this. You learn something every day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_o ... nt_Mariner

It seems the context at which it is used is a misinterpretation of the poem. He only metaphorically wears the bird across his neck. It actually plunges in to the sea and burden signifies his guilt of having shot it down.

I am;

a Pessimistic Underachieving Aspie.

Back in the day when I found the seduciton community, about 3 years ago, I'd tell the guys in the seduction forums that I felt the material we were learning did not apply to me, and that I was so dysfunctional I did not even qualify to be called an AFC. They did not believe me. They told me it was all in my head and that I had a bad attitude. Guess what? A few months ago I learned I could have Asperger's and that's when I learned I was probably right.

But, I do thank the seduction community for helping me understand how women think. I finally understood why I'm not a ladies' man. At least now I understand what I do wrong when I meet women.