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marmotta
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27 Feb 2008, 3:35 am

In our household, I'm the more dominant one....to the point that I have to pick out the meals and whatnot. I do wish he would be more aggressive, only because we do have an age difference, and I was once in his shoes with an NT. I grew to hate the fact that my opinion never mattered.
I don't know how else to get him to push his own agenda a bit...so when he does open his mouth on the smallest thing, I try to accomodate it...I don't want him hitting 30 and just hating the life he is stuck in.



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27 Feb 2008, 4:12 am

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In our household, I'm the more dominant one....to the point that I have to pick out the meals and whatnot. I do wish he would be more aggressive, only because we do have an age difference, and I was once in his shoes with an NT. I grew to hate the fact that my opinion never mattered.
I don't know how else to get him to push his own agenda a bit...so when he does open his mouth on the smallest thing, I try to accomodate it...I don't want him hitting 30 and just hating the life he is stuck in.
I think you may be projecting your feelings onto him. As someone who feels they may be on the spectrum, I frankly don't care what I eat more or less, and this extends to other arenas, which depend on the person. What I'm saying is don't mistake apathy (not in a bad or good way) for dominance, unless of course you attribute dominance to some sort of power play where one or the other partner attempts to get the other to do what they want for the sake of it.



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27 Feb 2008, 5:31 am

i think gwen has a point.
healthy relationships are (should be, at least) close to even-balanced.
from my own experience: my ex-girlfriend 'demanded' a lot of my time, to the extent that i didnt get work for uni done, couldnt meet any friends of mine, and didnt even have sufficient time to myself. back then, it was okay for me and i was happy. but after we broke up, i learned so much from this experience - having tons of unused energy per day; what can i do when i use it all for myself? how much can i work on myself, on what i want, what direction i want to grow etcetera...
i couldnt have a relationship like that anymore, simple as that. i saw how much i myself suffered under it, although i didnt notice at that time. i cant let that happen, by all means and for all love. to me, love also entails enough respect to be a full-fledged human for my significant other.

maybe the old relationship me wasnt that way, but over the last two years, i have grown ever more knowing of what exactly i want - my introspective nature honed this down to quite an edge... that edge wont carry relationships that are so lopsided regarding my personality.



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27 Feb 2008, 8:53 am

yesplease, Its not so much a powerplay, as I genuinely worry that I am sapping some will from him, or that he is just being accomodating because he thinks I'll be upset with him. I don't want to get in his way at all, but I don't want to frustrate him by not reading him correctly either. Arrgh! Why don't people come with instruction manuals ? Bar codes and hand held scanners?
What really stinks is when neither of us have an opinion on something...we try to limit stall outs on minor decisions to 20 min or less....



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27 Feb 2008, 7:46 pm

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To a point, I'm submissive, but mostly from laziness more than actually having a submissive personality.
I usually don't want to make decisions or initiate things. I never know what they want. I can't read their body language. I'd rather have them do that because there's almost 0 chance they'd do anything wrong. I'm not that picky in those respects...but the women I date...usually are.
There's definitely a point where I draw the line.


That is more like me and usually happens with questions such as "what do you want for lunch" or "what do you want to do tonight". I usually ask her what she feels like, because I can't read her body language and i'm not that fussed either way.
When I do try and be more masculin and confident, I can't read her body language, I say I want a kebab, then she goes "fine, get your kebab i'm going to KFC" then later on she gets upset that the kebab cost $10 by itself when we could have both got meals for $14 at KFC. Then i'm reckless with money, which leads to other things. ARGHH! hehe



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27 Feb 2008, 10:34 pm

Hhhhmmm... thing is, I'm submissive when it comes to things I don't care about, but when it comes to things I care about, I can be extremely dominant.

I guess I would like someone who could play dominant, but not someone who is actually a dominant. Maybe just someone protective, I don't know.



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28 Feb 2008, 3:49 am

marmotta wrote:
yesplease, Its not so much a powerplay, as I genuinely worry that I am sapping some will from him, or that he is just being accomodating because he thinks I'll be upset with him. I don't want to get in his way at all, but I don't want to frustrate him by not reading him correctly either. Arrgh! Why don't people come with instruction manuals ? Bar codes and hand held scanners?
You could ask him and emphasize that his response won't hurt you (if it won't) so he should be honest. As long as he isn't insult by directed inquiry, and you are o.k. with the potential outcomes, I don't think it would be a problem, and it may be a step towards resolving any issues there aer with indecisiveness.
marmotta wrote:
What really stinks is when neither of us have an opinion on something...we try to limit stall outs on minor decisions to 20 min or less....
Well, patience is a virtue. Not one I possess, but a virtue nonetheless. ;)



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03 Mar 2008, 6:40 pm

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I disagree with some of your points. My only girlfriend was extremely domineering and I am/was submissive. She liked that I was submissive. She was a good girlfriend for me and kept me in line. I liked that about her. The only reason we are not together anymore is my mom wouldn't let me see her anymore, because she smoke, drank, and did drugs. (I didn't speak to my mom for months over this Three years later and I still am amd about it) I was just that way because it was natural for me. Why should I change? She could protect herself easily, and didn't need me to. She was not there for me to protect because she didn't need it. I think if an Aspie male is submissive he should be that way because it's his natural behavior.


Kid, i think your Mom saved you from a world of hurt. Submitting to someone with a drug/alcohol problem is what those in the domestic violence field call A Very Bad Idea.



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03 Mar 2008, 7:18 pm

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I don't really fit on this whole submissive/dominance balance. If this was a scale from -10 to 10, I would be an imaginary number.

The problem comes when I act submissive, not because I am actually submissive... but I don't really care and have no strong opinion. Sometimes I am just so confused I don't even know where to begin to form an opinion to be emphatic on. When I know someone has crossed me, deceived me, argued a point I consider stupid or damaging... I'll never be submissive.

On top of all of this, I am also very understanding... if someone elses view makes sense in my mental framework... even if I don't believe it... I'll still let it pass. For example, let's say in a marriage type situation... I don't like flowers pictures... my wife loves them. I am not going to dominate my wife, and say no pictures... and berate her for her choice. Since I don't really care about those pictures, and I can understand why she likes them even if I don't.


Wow, are you my long-lost brother? I'm the exact same way. I let a lot of things slide, I tend not to form strong opinions on most things, and I'm very flexible. But because of that, when I am convinced of something, it's for a very good reason, and I know it's for a very good reason, and the argument will end with either me getting my way, or if it's not that significant, walking away telling the other person to do whatever the hell they want after blowing it way out of proportion. I know it sounds bratty, but in my defense, I'm always right. Seriously, I can't remember the last time I was wrong about something I was completely convinced of.



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03 Mar 2008, 10:35 pm

Yeah, I'm not a fan. Even when I have had the really buck-alpha'esque girls interested in me (who may remind you of one of the girls from Descent or Milah's character in the Resident Evil's), I just get that nasty feeling like if I'm not giving an even handshake and leveling with them something's just wrong. Especially when I'm just pulling the childlike side of them out that no one seems to see and they're melting down a bit, the dynamic just doesn't feel healthy for me - almost like its built on a gap in understanding.

I really don't know what's right for me anymore, being that I'm not so certain that I've come across it at all. Definitely know that being dom'd would just put me ill at ease. If it was strictly a lust relationship and kinda more of a triste (and if it was in a purely flirtatious way) - it could work, but as for anything long term and stable too many things would need to be reconciled and out of necessity that sort of dynamic would have to fade as well.



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19 Aug 2010, 11:06 pm

Even though I'm a male aspie virgin and im 6'7 I feel that when i lose my virginity to a girl i will be the submissive one and she will be the dominant one, even though we would still switch roles I just can't see myself being the dominant one sexually, I would want her to tell me what to do or do to me what she wants to sexually



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20 Aug 2010, 12:28 am

Dominant one here. I always THOUGHT I would be submissive but I'm always the smarter of the two of us especially when it comes to money, in bed I know what I want and it's very hard for anyone else to move the right way to make me really like it, etc.

If anything I wouldn't even say I'm merely dominant, I pretty much am a DICTATOR. My will be done.


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20 Aug 2010, 4:57 pm

I'm very submissive in some ways but I can be dominate in other ways. I'm very shy at 1st around people I don't know well but after I warm up a while; I can be very talkative. I think I would do better with someone who is also very submissive. I can relate to submissive people much better than dominate ones. I feel dominate people can be pretty bossy & demanding & I mite would feel like I am getting treated like her servant/slave after a while. I mite also be afraid to express myself with a dominate partner. I think a girl who's on the same level with me or is dominate & submissive in ways I'm not; would be better because the relationship would not get one sided. If I had to chose thou between being with someone who's more submissive or more dominate than me; I would pick submissive. I think i could start taking on more responsibility & things if I was with a partner who needed me to or gave me a chance to & I would also encourage my partner to speak up as well. I think part of the rezone I'm very submissive is because when I was little my mom did everything for me & made decisions ect. She felt that I was incapable of understanding things & doing things & I'm very dependent now party because of that. My mom puts me down a lot & makes me feel guilty about being so dependent on her & my dad & I feel like I am nothing but a burden on her. The last thing I want is to be a burden on my partner.


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20 Aug 2010, 5:12 pm

I've always been the aggressor in starting relationships but once I'm in one, I never know what to do since I lack experience. Like my ex would ask, "when was the last time we did anything together?" I said, "I would but I don't know what activities couples do." Seriously, all my relationship knowledge at this point was based on movies and s**t. He got irritated when I asked him for suggestions because I guess the woman is supposed to plan stuff? He was only good with planning sexual activities, anything like dates he expected me to do. As you can probably tell, this relationship did not last long. Yeah, I never had a relationship last long enough to really gain any experience in maintaining interest and chemistry. :/



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20 Aug 2010, 5:43 pm

I feel balanced and I like other balanced people. Sometimes one can lead then the other, it keeps things fresh.


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20 Aug 2010, 6:08 pm

Erisad wrote:
I've always been the aggressor in starting relationships but once I'm in one, I never know what to do since I lack experience. Like my ex would ask, "when was the last time we did anything together?" I said, "I would but I don't know what activities couples do." Seriously, all my relationship knowledge at this point was based on movies and sh**. He got irritated when I asked him for suggestions because I guess the woman is supposed to plan stuff? He was only good with planning sexual activities, anything like dates he expected me to do. As you can probably tell, this relationship did not last long. Yeah, I never had a relationship last long enough to really gain any experience in maintaining interest and chemistry. :/


I always worry that anything I do plan, she (whoever "she" is) won't like it... so I end up doing nothing.