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13 May 2009, 11:27 pm

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You're absolutely right about the power of social proof. Don't need to go any farther than the nearest bar or club to see it in action. Most of those places are so crowded & loud that nobody can hear half of what you say. How you're seen being reacted to is all that matters when meeting new people in those places.

If a guy is seen dancing with other girls, other girls want to dance with him. If he's seen talking to a lot of people, other people want to talk to him. If he's sitting alone interacting with nobody, no matter how great he is below the surface, nobody will feel any desire to interact with him.


I agree with you. its the sheep mentallity. People acting cool and fake for other people. I know I hate those things, I'm not going to to talk to anyone while i'm there, why pretend to be someone I'm not just to get a girl? If I meet someone acting totally fake, they will think thats how I really am and they will think i'm like that all the time, so I have to be fake more for them. I'd rather be liked for who I am then have a relationship based on a lie.


Agree. This is the same reason why everybody and their brother watches American Idol, because one cool person thought it was cool. :D People are superficial.

HEY! I actually enjoy American Idol!



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14 May 2009, 6:09 am

KenM wrote:
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You're absolutely right about the power of social proof. Don't need to go any farther than the nearest bar or club to see it in action. Most of those places are so crowded & loud that nobody can hear half of what you say. How you're seen being reacted to is all that matters when meeting new people in those places.

If a guy is seen dancing with other girls, other girls want to dance with him. If he's seen talking to a lot of people, other people want to talk to him. If he's sitting alone interacting with nobody, no matter how great he is below the surface, nobody will feel any desire to interact with him.


I agree with you. its the sheep mentallity. People acting cool and fake for other people. I know I hate those things, I'm not going to to talk to anyone while i'm there, why pretend to be someone I'm not just to get a girl? If I meet someone acting totally fake, they will think thats how I really am and they will think i'm like that all the time, so I have to be fake more for them. I'd rather be liked for who I am then have a relationship based on a lie.


It doesn't necessarily mean you have to act fake. You can try and genuinely befriend other people and learn to be more adept at socializing (being more adept at socializing doesn't mean being "fake", it just means learning to read people better and knowing more about social context).


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14 May 2009, 3:02 pm

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You're absolutely right about the power of social proof. Don't need to go any farther than the nearest bar or club to see it in action. Most of those places are so crowded & loud that nobody can hear half of what you say. How you're seen being reacted to is all that matters when meeting new people in those places.

If a guy is seen dancing with other girls, other girls want to dance with him. If he's seen talking to a lot of people, other people want to talk to him. If he's sitting alone interacting with nobody, no matter how great he is below the surface, nobody will feel any desire to interact with him.


I agree with you. its the sheep mentallity. People acting cool and fake for other people. I know I hate those things, I'm not going to to talk to anyone while i'm there, why pretend to be someone I'm not just to get a girl? If I meet someone acting totally fake, they will think thats how I really am and they will think i'm like that all the time, so I have to be fake more for them. I'd rather be liked for who I am then have a relationship based on a lie.


It doesn't necessarily mean you have to act fake. You can try and genuinely befriend other people and learn to be more adept at socializing (being more adept at socializing doesn't mean being "fake", it just means learning to read people better and knowing more about social context).

You don't have to be fake yourself, but you definitely have to fake an interest to make small talk. When it comes to socializing with new people, as far as my experience goes, small talk is required. This is something that I find totally uninteresting, so, in order to pursue it, I need to fake being interested.



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14 May 2009, 3:42 pm

lotusblossom wrote:
it all depends on who you want to pull.

be careful what you wish for.

trust me there is nothing worse than having a partner/lover who likes parties and is sociable. I never want to be in that place again!! *shudders*

aspies are best off meeting people who hate people, the internet is a great thing!!


That's why for many years, I didn't have a partner. I couldn't meet anyone who didn't like those things, so I stayed alone.

I have been forced to go to parties in my life, since I came from a family that believed in forced socialization, so I'd go, sit like a bump on a log, then go home. Only when I moved out on my own was I finally free to stay home.


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14 May 2009, 10:11 pm

Bataar wrote:
SilverStar wrote:
KenM wrote:
deadeyexx wrote:
You're absolutely right about the power of social proof. Don't need to go any farther than the nearest bar or club to see it in action. Most of those places are so crowded & loud that nobody can hear half of what you say. How you're seen being reacted to is all that matters when meeting new people in those places.

If a guy is seen dancing with other girls, other girls want to dance with him. If he's seen talking to a lot of people, other people want to talk to him. If he's sitting alone interacting with nobody, no matter how great he is below the surface, nobody will feel any desire to interact with him.


I agree with you. its the sheep mentallity. People acting cool and fake for other people. I know I hate those things, I'm not going to to talk to anyone while i'm there, why pretend to be someone I'm not just to get a girl? If I meet someone acting totally fake, they will think thats how I really am and they will think i'm like that all the time, so I have to be fake more for them. I'd rather be liked for who I am then have a relationship based on a lie.


Agree. This is the same reason why everybody and their brother watches American Idol, because one cool person thought it was cool. :D People are superficial.

HEY! I actually enjoy American Idol!


Woops! :lol: Sorry, i was just generalizing. I said that because everybody I work with, or talk to, seems to love that show.



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15 May 2009, 4:59 am

Bataar wrote:
You don't have to be fake yourself, but you definitely have to fake an interest to make small talk. When it comes to socializing with new people, as far as my experience goes, small talk is required. This is something that I find totally uninteresting, so, in order to pursue it, I need to fake being interested.



QFT. Another excample is people say I should go to a club and dance with the girls. I HATE to dance. So why would I pretend to like it? If I do that, then the women I meet there will think I like to do that all the time. Its not me. Its being dishonest to both me and her. I'd be unhappy knowing i'm being fake, she would be unhappy knowing i'm not the type of guy she first thought I was.



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15 May 2009, 5:35 am

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Are you trying to say that if you pay someone a genuine compliment that makes them happy about themselves, their subconscious mind is thinking: "He's only saying that so he can gain social proof and game that girl over there in the corner."

I believe that you are vastly overstating the power of human intuition.


And underestimating the power of blatant flattery 8)

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In my only LTR, my ex would always drag me to these big family gatherings. I did not know at the time about my AS. One time said said "I know you don't like these things, but you'll feel better after."


Exactly the same happened to me. I always felt worse after, too. We and others just have to accept that introverts to not get positive feelings from such gatherings.

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As far as my ex I mentioned, we were doing family gatherings all the time, like more then one a week.

I guess these would be with her family :wink: If only because in my LTR, my partner would often resist going to anything that involved my family as she found it 'uncomfortable'. Of course she could then throw up a smoke screen of verbose verbalisation verbiage to justify her discomfort yet negate mine. Now, where was I????

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I perfer small social gatherings, under 6 people or so, or one on one. The OP said you should go to large gathering to boost your social standing. I don't care about my social standing, how large groups of people think I'm cool and all that.


Yes, the only social gatherings I could ever claim to enjoy (not just 'suffer) are smaller ones. It is especially hard when you are in a relationship and not able to manage your social life to your needs. Since being separated. I'm sure that a big part of not being depressed anymore is being able to manage a barely visible social life that suits me and not filling every spare moment with 'gatherings' and 'events'.

It's interesting that we can enjoy smaller gatherings, it shows we are not totall anti-social outcasts. The problem is that we've been following somebody elses rules, doing what makes others happy and negating ourselves. Ironic that we then get accused of being 'self absorbed'. :(

Going back to the original 'research', I'd say they've got cause and effect upside down (as usual) . It's not being smiled at that makes you attractive, it's being attractive that makes people smile at you.

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There's still the possibility, as slim as it may be, that a cute girl will be driving by my place, have a flat tire, come to my door for help.


A strategy whose success rate soars with a liberal sprinkling of sharp glass and metal on the road outside your house and a sign pointing at your door that says "Tire Changing Service". :wink:


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16 May 2009, 4:16 pm

KenM wrote:
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You don't have to be fake yourself, but you definitely have to fake an interest to make small talk. When it comes to socializing with new people, as far as my experience goes, small talk is required. This is something that I find totally uninteresting, so, in order to pursue it, I need to fake being interested.



QFT. Another excample is people say I should go to a club and dance with the girls. I HATE to dance. So why would I pretend to like it? If I do that, then the women I meet there will think I like to do that all the time. Its not me. Its being dishonest to both me and her. I'd be unhappy knowing i'm being fake, she would be unhappy knowing i'm not the type of guy she first thought I was.


That's the problem with society, everybody lies, to themselves, and others, and then they wonder why they never find the right person. If you are lying just to get laid, then by all means, go for it. :lol: