Do racial preferences make you a racist?

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11 Sep 2016, 1:44 am

It's not black and white.

There's aspects of the past I think would be better if they remained today, and plenty that make the world a better place without.

Just as there are aspects of today that are terrible, and plenty of good things that have come with modern times.

Overall, far-right or far-left both have their drawbacks.

The pendelum seems to have swung to a more liberal and left-winged society in many rich western countries.

Why can't we achieve a society that's a bit more moderate than one way or the other.



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11 Sep 2016, 2:07 am

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The very same could be said to you and your unchanged beliefs.

Your idea that adults should always be choosing to learn and challenge their beliefs is also an opinion, one I'm sure you would never change or get rid of.

Holding onto the idea that we should always challenge ideas is an oxymoron, because we are not challenging all of our beliefs if we do not challenge the belief that we should always challenge our beliefs.

Maybe we shouldn't always challenge our beliefs and ideals.

There are at least a few things we believe to be true that should sometimes stay that way for the good of ourselves and well-being.

The negative outcome of always questioning ourselves and our ideals can cause cognitive dissonance, low self-esteem, indecisiveness, and a lack of motivation or direction in life.

Most people's opinions simply can't be swayed one way or the other. Most people's beliefs are set in stone at a certain point and it takes an overwhelming amount of time and evidence for them to even think of any alternative.

This isn't always necessarily a bad thing.

I don't let these sort of debates keep me up long into the night, why should anyone have to?


My beliefs have changed over time, as I've grown and learned. You don't know me or what I've been through and how that has changed how I see the world, so to call my beliefs "unchanged" is incredibly presumptuous of you as well as incorrect. You are young--once you've been alive for a few more decades you will have a better idea of how a person's views can change with time and experience.


I wasn't speaking of your personal life, let's not make this personal. I was just speaking of your argument.

To me it came across as self-righteous, as if you were implying those that disagree with you here and believe having a racial preference is not wrong are 'ignoring massive amounts of evidence to the contrary' and going so far as to even assume they don't 'learn and grow as people' because of it.

To me that implies you believe the people who refuse to change their beliefs mustn't be 'adult' when that's not always the case.

I was just stating it is contradictory to say people must question their beliefs to grow and learn if you don't question that belief in itself - that we must always be 'growing and learning' and trying to change our views.

Some views of the world or knowledge should remain unchanged for our own sake.

If I let it bother me having racial preferences is 'racist', I'll only feel terribly guilty and try to change my preference but only feel even worse if I fail to do so.

It's no different than a gay person living in a homophobic place.

If they believe being gay is okay, they shouldn't continue to question their beliefs and let the beliefs of other people echo in the back of their head and make them feel ashamed and guilty. They should just let it go and accept that is the way they are.

It's better for anyone's sake that as long as we don't discriminate against people based on race, we have every right to have a preference and shouldn't question whether it's wrong or not and go in circles when we could just accept it is just something that is a part of who we are.

This is coming from someone who does not have a racial preference, mind you.

You also are behaving incredibly presumptuous in assuming my views can not and have not been altered by time even if I haven't been on this Earth as long.

If anything, adolescence brings the most mental and physical changes to the body of all.

I would have completely agreed having racial preferences is racist 4 years ago.

Of course adulthood will change one's perspective overtime but plenty don't completely change as a person and are still generally the same person they were a few years ago.

It is not our personality that tends to change, but our experience, knowledge and character.

For instance age 20 may be young, but it is still 20 years.

There's massive difference between a 1 year old and 20 year old, just as there is between a 20 and 40 year old, etc.

20 years is still 20 years and does not have less value if it is the 20 years between age 20-40, 40-60, 60-80, etc.

It's all still 20 years of personal development.

Of course a 20 year old has less knowledge and experience than a 40 year old, I'm not denying that. But that doesn't mean the 20 year old hasn't undergone 'changes'.



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11 Sep 2016, 3:58 am

Outrider wrote:
If anything, adolescence brings the most mental and physical changes to the body of all.
That's nothing compared to the changes the brain goes through. The brain is completely rewired.

From experience I can say that your views change more slowly the older you get. The mind starts to get a tendancy to resist new ideas. If the trend continues I may become completely set in my ways by the time I'm middle aged.


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11 Sep 2016, 4:26 am

wilburforce wrote:
Once again, for people who think the aesthetics of what a person is attracted to is hard-wired like our sexual orientation is

To be absolutely honest, I don't believe that our sexual orientation is hard-wired either. I believe that certain people are more prone to adopting certain sexualities, and we'll start to get a sense of what we find appealing when we're very young, but I don't believe it's all nature. I believe there is a nurture aspect to it as well. I'm not sure how we form our sexual preferences, but I do believe certain stimuli have a hand.

I could be wrong here, but like I said, my preferences changed a lot during my teen years, and I believe that has to do with the kinds of things I was subjecting myself to. Whilst the gender I'm attracted to has always remained the same, I don't think it's too far-fetched to believe that it could change for certain people with certain biological make-ups whose brains are exposed to certain material during or before adolescence. Perhaps even after, but I don't have enough post-adolescence experience under my belt to speculate about that. In short, I believe some people's sexualities and fetishes are probably much more rigid than some might think. Obviously that's not to say that we can choose our sexual preferences, or that we as individuals have much (or any) control over them, but I don't believe they're entirely fixed, and I believe their prime development time is adolescence.

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if you watch the video I posted of an episode of a highly respected show from our national public broadcasters the CBC called "The Nature of Things with David Suzuki" you will see that research is currently being done which shows just how much culture and personal experience can influence what we are drawn to in members of the sex we are naturally attracted to. The most relevant bit is the last 20 minutes or so, when they are talking about the experiments being done with rats at Concordia University in Montreal showing how experiences of pleasure can alter an individual's preferences in regards to choosing mates, and how an analogous process in human brains may be a part of what influences how we choose partners and what we find pleasurable and what we seek out.

For anyone who didn't watch the video, I would recommend you do so. It was quite interesting.


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We as humans may be animals, but we also have something in our lives that most animals do not* and that is culture--and we all to some extent are immersed in culture and cannot completely escape its influence on our psyche and our behaviour. We as complex humans are not slaves to instinct--but we are beginning to see that even in the animal kingdom it is not as simple as "animals pair up to propagate their genetic material and instinct based on the reproductive impulse drives mate choice"--even animals can be influenced by individual experience and by pleasure-seeking. Sometimes the pleasure-seeking response can override the instinctive reproductive impulse; sometimes pleasure-seeking takes precedence and priority over instinct, even in animal species like rats.

Okay, so if we assume that our culture is influencing us to prefer white people over other races, the first point I would make is that many people who are influenced by our culture find themselves attracted to members of other races. Obviously there are also some who are only attracted to white people, but how do we account for other variants if cultural influence is so strong in its promotion of white people? Do we assume that people who are not only attracted to white people are less influenced by culture than people who are only attracted to white people? Are they being influenced by other things that their less racially open-minded counterparts are not? How do we then account for white people who are only interested in dating black people? What about people like myself who are attracted to certain races (including races other than white, obviously) but not attracted to certain other races?

If it is indeed the culture that is accountable for our racial preferences, how can you blame an individual? You can't really lay blame on someone who is responding to what they are being influenced by. If I were to only be attracted to white people as a result of the influence of the culture I was born into, that would hardly be my fault, and I can't even see what I could do about it in that situation. Preferences may be malleable, but you can't change them at will. If a person born in a white majority country who wasn't attracted to Asians moved to China, I would imagine that after some time, that person would find themselves attracted to some Asian people. But I doubt it's a change they could force. Their preferences would probably change as a result of being around mostly Asian people. Maybe it's a similar situation in the west, where most people are white, and as a result, some people find themselves being attracted only to the majority around them.

The last point I'm going to make in this post is; if our culture is influencing us to prefer white people as prospective partners, what can we as a culture do about that? At what point will our cultural representations be diverse enough that there is no racial bias in terms of the partner we choose? What (if anything) can people who don't find themselves attracted to members of certain races do to make themselves attracted to people of those races? If racial preferences are racist, what can we do to eliminate them?



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11 Sep 2016, 9:34 pm

No. Racism is only when you think certain races like blacks are inferior.

Feeling attracted to certain races only or finding certain races aesthetically ugly is not racist, it's just a preference. It's like saying you prefer tall people or people with brown eyes.

I prefer white, fair people, with fair skin, eyes and hair. I don't think dark skinned people are inferior, I'm just less likely to find them attractive. I don't believe in racial superiority, it's total bs. So no, it's not racism.



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12 Sep 2016, 7:27 am

I seem to be more attracted to black women than any other race, but maybe if I date another race, maybe I might actually end up liking that race too?



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12 Sep 2016, 9:52 am

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13 Sep 2016, 12:06 am

not showing interest in my body is a very cruel feeling, it hurts more than anything else.

racism/preference it doesn't matter what u call it.

do u understand ?



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13 Sep 2016, 12:12 am

if i was a mod i'd remove this thread anyway tbh



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13 Sep 2016, 12:25 am

^ that wasn't directed at the op lol

i am only wondering what people r trying to justify?

u dont want to fk x women becuz they're not white then yes u racist deal with it