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they are not. during my time at 6 different colleges I only saw 3 females getting a degree in mathematics and I was one of them. Compared to the 20+ males in each class. Every time I talk to women about math, they say they don't like it. Or they like math, but not beyond the Calculus level. It is so rare to find women studying mathematics. Don't get me wrong... I want more women to study math. It just doesn't seem to be in their general interests.


I when I mean... not interested in math, I mean interested in math at a level to get a Bachelor's and beyond. Not that you love to do multiplication.

perhaps this was some time ago? i just wish you wouldn't make sweeping statements about all women just based on your own experience without presenting it as such--your personal experience and not necessarily the way it is.

times are changing. women and girls at school age are starting to realise that it's not necessary for them to act stupid for boys to like them. more and more girls every day are entering fields such as mathematics and engineering. trades as well. wake up and join the 21st century, sister.

when i was in school i was interested in and enjoyed math. so did many of my friends. i don't personally know anyone who went into that field, but i don't assume that means that there aren't any women who do. there was a lot of pressure from the boys though, and lots of teasing.....perhaps that is why so many girls retreat from interests such as math and science. i never did. you have to take cultural factors into consideration when it comes to issues like this. it really isn't fair to say "women don't like mathematics". the statement is just way too generalised and too easy to misinterpret.

Why don't you guys do a separate 'women in math' thread as it is a very valid area for discussion since this particular thread in the 'love' area kind of ended up in way out land.

hmmm seeing as I am 25 that would be 2 years ago. I have lived in China, Japan, and the US (3 very math heavy countries). It is nice that you enjoyed lower levels of math. You don't know anyone who went into that field of study and I know probably near 100. You assume because you don't know anyone who went into that field of study it doesn't mean that women don't. I already stated that some women do. However I have only seen 3 studying the actual area of mathematics(not counting those studying education with a math emphasis). and I have only encountered 2 female professors. So out of almost 100... 3 women. And don't bother asking me how many were actually good at it.

I am basing my statements on a fairly decent sample counting people who are actually studying the subject and the reactions of people (women) who find out that I have gotten a degree in math, and based on my professor's remarks concerning the lack of women seeking degrees in mathematics.

Based on those observations I am saying the vast majority of women do not like the kind of math necessary to study for a degree in math.

I didn't mean for the topic to take a tangent as my original statements were in context of feminism which seemed to be where the thread was headed.

I started an offshoot.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1948944.html#1948944

not really she just believes in responses related to maturity she uses IQ as a measurement in maturity which doesn't work. Furthermore she shows a feeling of superiorirty over people who usually post in this section at different times she called them whiners, vagrants , and jerks. Later she calls them predeators , antifemminists, and stalkers. She bragged so much about her intelligence (which is a transitory number if you take different iq tests you get different results on one IQ test I got 160 on one and 140 on others as well as going much lower on others.) What IQ is really supposed to measure it doesn't come close to measuring since there have been people who currently cannot use IQ in an intelligent fashion(be able to gain more knoweldge, use it effectively, or use abstract reasoning).

Furthermore the point is currently from her posts we can gather that all people who are not in her iq range or who don't fit her profile are virgins or worse. Thats the problem we have with her I have posted in the lvoe and dating section and quite frankly I lost my virginity at 14 does when I lose my virginity show any correlation with how well I did in relationships? Well not really. Does a high IQ score mean I'm a mature person? Nope on that note too. RReally the person with claws coming out is the OP who needs to learn to treat people with the respect that she expects while tearing everyone down.

That is really sad cause your making a sweeping generalization. Young males are more emotional and so are young women. Just in general lets look at my experiences with women as an example.

1st gf - told me she had a misscarriage with my baby due to wanting to make me feel trapped so that I stayed with her.

female friend of mine - never communicated with me that she wanted me though I was not attracted to her.Tried to commit suicide.

Another ex female friend - after I lost interest in her notably she threatened to kill me and said every dig she had against me to provoke me into a fight.

last ex - tried everything to keep me staying with her taking advantage of my want to help people by acting out and blaming some of her mental issues.

Women get frustrated too and its part of the increased emotional state when your younger. Some learn to control it some embrace it thats their choice. Even after all these things (and much more) has happened to me I still do not blame young women it would be foolish of me to do so. Again IQ is not a measure of maturity nor is the OP even acting like she is as mature as she wants everyone else to be.

I have never finished an IQ test (course I never took one while on ADHD meds). I think if I did it would ruin the mystery of never knowing exactly how I measured up when compared to other people.

I like to tell people that my IQ is 101 and I just know how to more efficiently use that 1 point.

i just really feel that a lot of people are reading personal insults in the original post which was not there. people have biases that they are not aware of, including myself, but no one is taking this into consideration when responding to her post. sometimes it really is pointless. i think people just want to feel insulted by her because she is so obviously extremely intelligent, and people can be petty and jealous, ESPECIALLY when it comes to intelligence. so many people are hateful towards intelligent people, and if you have not experienced this bias and hatefulness then you will not understand what i'm talking about. i have been the recipient of hatred my whole life, just for being a good student, always getting A's, always getting the highest mark in the class....do you have any idea how many times a fellow student has asked me "so how did you do on ____ (whatever exam, paper, test, project, etc)?" only to tell me"i hate you. why do you always have to be so good at everything? you're a brown-noser anyway. teacher's pet. etc etc etc" when i tell them that i did well. people are just full of hate. it is disgusting and dispiriting.

....and i was never a boastful child. i was shy and retiring by nature. i only told people how i did if they asked me. eventually i stopped telling people even when they asked, and learned to quickly shove my tests into my bag and look at them when i got home, to avoid being told what a loser and a dork and a browner i was.

regular people hate smart people. it's the truth. deal with it.

its hasn't proven that it is an effective measure of intelligence there were many great minds who under an IQ test would fair normal or even below. In effect though even if it did it wouldn't matter the spread of different IQ's show that IQ doesn't really influence anyones abilities in any area. There have been people in very demanding fields who have low iqs my friend works in homeland security designing electronic and computerized security systems that require all 3 of the esstentials of intelligence and his IQ score was borderline ret*d.

once again, you completely side-stepped the point of my argument to argue semantics. doesn't anyone know how to properly debate issues and ideas anymore? bleh, i'm done.

i have no idea what my IQ is, either. i was tested when i was in grade 5 for the enrichment program i was involved in, but i never learned the results, and i don't think my parents know, either.

the only point is your thinking its because of her IQ that people dislike her and the fact she considers others to have to meet the standards she herself has. Shes not intelligent or else she would understand why people dislike her comments. Noones insecurities are coming out besides your own and the OP I don't particularly care as I'm just sounding off to the debate. The biases you have on yourselves are blinding you to the fact since you think yourself akin to her. Thats fine but the firefight if you want to call it that was started because she was insulting and using tones and wording for that purpose.

Whether she knows it or not which I believe she doesn't since she acts all suprised that people dislike her tone. BTW on the teacher's pet stuff I've been called that all my life every academic instituion though I don't get the best grades have called me most likely to succeed. I'm an overachiever and proud of it if people don't like smart people they must not like me but I really don't care in retrospect I've made good friends and acquanitances, I've had a furfilling life as far as romance. In the end the difference between me and you artist is I'm not afraid what people think of me and if people don't like smart people well thats their loss.

In the end I think your looking at it as a bias issue which it isn't. The OP is intentionally insulting people at times then unintentionally insulting that comes from acting like your better then everyone else. If she wants to live her life that way thats up to her but her intelligence (or lack thereof) is not the issue its how she relates to people. If she decided to treat people with respect I think she would see people would respond accordingly when they get over her previous statements.

i understand now why she left this discussion.

her original post was offensive in overgeneralizing the way men think, and in the assumption that if women do not think the same way they are nothing more than puppets.

I have met people with higher and lower IQs that are better able to articulate themselves in intellectual debates without as much bias or emotion than I found in the original post and arguments afterward.

I do not mind she left, I wish she left earlier so the basic concept could have been salvaged. Now the thread is useless and someone else who can separate emotion from intellectual debate will have start a different one.