I don't want to date poor people
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Grisha wrote:
starygrrl wrote:
You people are a bit defensive.
Women all have criteria. Some women's criteria is longer than others. For me education is an easy indicator whether we will get along, its not absolute. I would rather not look look for a needle in a haystack, I would rather look for a needle in a needle stack and pick the needle. The other aspects I can get from dating a person, basically if we share similar likes or dislikes and how well I get along with a person. But education seems to be a good guide about whether or not that will be the case. That is just from my own experience, but dating is a subjective thing you get to pick and choose who you are with. Everybody has standards and things they look for, for me education is pretty important.
What I am saying is dating is kind of like playing statistics. For me finding a person without at least a bachelors degree that will be compatible is much less likely than me finding somebody with a bachelors degree or higher. It is not that I am excluding 50% of the population, but the truth of the matter is that 50% is probably going to be much less
compatible with me. So I rather skip the hay to find a needle, and stick to looking through the needle stack.
Women all have criteria. Some women's criteria is longer than others. For me education is an easy indicator whether we will get along, its not absolute. I would rather not look look for a needle in a haystack, I would rather look for a needle in a needle stack and pick the needle. The other aspects I can get from dating a person, basically if we share similar likes or dislikes and how well I get along with a person. But education seems to be a good guide about whether or not that will be the case. That is just from my own experience, but dating is a subjective thing you get to pick and choose who you are with. Everybody has standards and things they look for, for me education is pretty important.
What I am saying is dating is kind of like playing statistics. For me finding a person without at least a bachelors degree that will be compatible is much less likely than me finding somebody with a bachelors degree or higher. It is not that I am excluding 50% of the population, but the truth of the matter is that 50% is probably going to be much less
compatible with me. So I rather skip the hay to find a needle, and stick to looking through the needle stack.
I had someone on OKC reject me flat-out because I didn't have an education, obviously she was WAY too good for me...
Not saying there are not exceptions for me. I do look beyond education if somebody approaches me, but I usually seek out education. Like I said you would be pretty close to what I would call the exception to the rule. You clearly are intelligent and are doing well for yourself and that is extremely evident in your job status and running your own business that would be taken into account if somebody like you approached me (if I was looking). Again like I said this is a flexible standard, I just say overall, I do look for education. In fact they have found that this is really common, women with educations often look for men who are educated as well. Since the proportions are not 50%/50% this leaves some without partners, until you realize that a larger percentage of women with educations are lesbian or bisexual than the general population.
I have dated some partners without college educations, but overall that has been limited. Most were either in graduate school or had a masters or doctorate, the rest had bachelors from a top tier school.
I will say statistics actually bear this out that I am not the only one who does this either, even though this may not be a conscious thing for most women. Both men and women with college educations almost pursue each other near exclusively these days. In fact it is a big part of the class bifurcation that is happening right now. Time had a story on it. Women with bachelors seem to only date and marry men with bachelors. These women and men marry later in life, have children later, but their marriages are far more stable, thier divorce rate is signifcantly lower than the rest of the population. There are reasons for this one being a shared cultural experience and dialog (college) but also the increased economic stability college educations often bring (5% unemployment for people with bachelors even at the worst point of the recession), especially for women (college gives women significantly more economic independence). Even with myself, I have only began thinking about marriage, and I am 32. I have seen my partner for 2 1/2 years, he has a bachelors in engineering and also works in IT, I have a Juris Doctor and work in IT. Women often meet thier partner in undergrad or graduate school. Even when they don't they meet somebody who has educational compatiblity after school. This leads to more stable relationships because their are fewer issues with money and more stable families once kids come into the picture. The entire thing is a self perpetuating cycle. But it is also why there is an ongoing class divide that perpetuates itself. The women who are a part of this educated class don't need men to survive. So they have the luxury of being more selective regarding partnerships, so they often pick men with a similiar background to thier own since marriage is not a matter of survival. The reality is they are selecting largely educated men. While a previous woman in the lower class could marry up even without an education because men were seen as providers this is no longer really the case since women now make up a larger majority of college graduates than men. While there are always exceptions, statistics is bearing this out that it is not really happening much anymore. Women who are uneducated are much less likely to marry up. Likewise women with educations do not marry down.
These uneducated women want a provider relationship, but the people in this educated class both men and women (when I say educated class I mean non-profit or state university with a bachelors btw) largely want a relationship between equals. Basically there is a differing desire based on education. A provider relationship is not co-equal and can lead to disharmony and resentment. The fact is this is the cruel new reality, while feminism was extremely beneficial to educated women or women who can obtain educations, it has had some downside as well. Where there was once a patriarchy there is now something else entirely different has replaced it as a social construct. Its not a matriarchy, since this is not a social construct based on gender, its one based on educational attainment. While genders are on a more equal footing, education is now more the determining factor of success over ones life under the new construct.
My advice, look at the Time magazine article on marriage. Again while people are not mentioning education or class outright often it is still a determining factor if you look at the demographics. Women rarely look the down those ladders when they select partners in either regard.
Last edited by starygrrl on 15 Mar 2011, 8:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
starygrrl wrote:
Grisha wrote:
starygrrl wrote:
You people are a bit defensive.
Women all have criteria. Some women's criteria is longer than others. For me education is an easy indicator whether we will get along, its not absolute. I would rather not look look for a needle in a haystack, I would rather look for a needle in a needle stack and pick the needle. The other aspects I can get from dating a person, basically if we share similar likes or dislikes and how well I get along with a person. But education seems to be a good guide about whether or not that will be the case. That is just from my own experience, but dating is a subjective thing you get to pick and choose who you are with. Everybody has standards and things they look for, for me education is pretty important.
What I am saying is dating is kind of like playing statistics. For me finding a person without at least a bachelors degree that will be compatible is much less likely than me finding somebody with a bachelors degree or higher. It is not that I am excluding 50% of the
population, but the truth of the matter is that 50% is probably going to be much less
compatible with me. So I rather skip the hay to find a needle, and stick to looking through the needle stack.
Women all have criteria. Some women's criteria is longer than others. For me education is an easy indicator whether we will get along, its not absolute. I would rather not look look for a needle in a haystack, I would rather look for a needle in a needle stack and pick the needle. The other aspects I can get from dating a person, basically if we share similar likes or dislikes and how well I get along with a person. But education seems to be a good guide about whether or not that will be the case. That is just from my own experience, but dating is a subjective thing you get to pick and choose who you are with. Everybody has standards and things they look for, for me education is pretty important.
What I am saying is dating is kind of like playing statistics. For me finding a person without at least a bachelors degree that will be compatible is much less likely than me finding somebody with a bachelors degree or higher. It is not that I am excluding 50% of the
population, but the truth of the matter is that 50% is probably going to be much less
compatible with me. So I rather skip the hay to find a needle, and stick to looking through the needle stack.
I had someone on OKC reject me flat-out because I didn't have an education, obviously she was WAY too good for me...
Not saying there are not exceptions for me. I do look beyond education if somebody approaches me, but I usually seek out education. Like I said you would be pretty close to what I would call the exception to the rule. You clearly are intelligent and are doing well for yourself and that is extremely evident in your job status and running your own business that would be taken into account if somebody like you approached me (if I was looking). Again
like I said this is a flexible standard, I just say overall, I do look for education. In fact they have found that this is really common, women with educations often look for men who are educated as well. Since the proportions are not 50%/50% this leaves some without partners, until you realize that a larger percentage of women with educations are lesbian or bisexual than the general population.
I have dated some partners without college educations, but overall that has been limited. Most were either in graduate school or had a masters or doctorate, the rest had bachelors from a top tier school.
I will say statistics actually bear this out that I am not the only one who does this either, even though this may not be a conscious thing for most women. Both men and women
with college educations almost pursue each other near exclusively these days. In fact it is a big part of the class bifurcation that is happening right now. Time had a story on it. Women with bachelors seem to only date and marry men with bachelors. These women and men marry later in life, have children later, but their marriages are far more stable, thier divorce rate is signifcantly lower than the rest of the population. There are reasons for this one being a shared cultural experience and dialog (college) but also the increased economic stability college educations often bring (5% unemployment for people with bachelors even at the worst point of the recession), especially for women (college gives women significantly more economic independence). Even with myself, I have only began thinking about marriage, and I am 32. I have seen my partner for 2 1/2 years, he has a bachelors in engineering and also works in IT, I have a Juris Doctor and work in IT. Women often meet thier partner in undergrad or graduate school. Even when they don't they meet somebody who has educational compatiblity after school. This leads to more stable relationships because their are fewer issues with money and more stable families
once kids come into the picture. The entire thing is a self perpetuating cycle. But it is also why there is an ongoing class divide that perpetuates itself. The women who are a part of this educated class don't need men to survive. So they have the luxury of being more selective regarding partnerships, so they often pick men with a similiar background to thier own since marriage is not a matter of survival. The reality is they are selecting largely educated men. While a previous woman in the lower class could marry up even without an education because men were seen as providers this is no longer really the case since women now make up a larger majority of college graduates than men. While there are always exceptions, statistics is bearing this out that it is not really happening much anymore. Women who are uneducated are much less likely to marry up. Likewise women with educations do not marry down.
These uneducated women want a provider relationship, but the people in this educated class both men and women (when I say educated class I mean non-profit or state university with a bachelors btw) largely want a relationship between equals relationship. Basically there is a differing desire based on education. A provider relationship is not co-equal and can lead to disharmony and resentment. The fact is this is the cruel new reality, while feminism was extremely beneficial to educated women or women who can obtain educations, it has had some downside as well. Where there was once a patriarchy there is now something else entirely different has replaced it as a social construct. Its not a matriarchy, since this is not a social construct based on gender, its one based on educational attainment. While genders are on a more equal footing, education is now more the determining factor of success over ones life under the new construct.
My advice, look at the Time magazine article on marriage. Again while people are not mentioning education or class outright often it is still a determining factor if you look at the demographics. Women rarely look the down those ladders when they select partners in either regard.
Trust me, I believe you - everyone is free to date/reject whomever they want, for whatever reason they want...
emlion wrote:
oh grisha, you make me laugh.
Your avatar now makes you look like Reece Witherspoon... but in a really good way. In a "I really like Reece Witherspoon and she's even holding a puppy and I like puppies too" way. Which is the best way, by the way. Very pretty. Move to New York and model.
wefunction wrote:
emlion wrote:
oh grisha, you make me laugh.
Your avatar now makes you look like Reece Witherspoon... but in a really good way. In a "I really like Reece Witherspoon and she's even holding a puppy and I like puppies too" way. Which is the best way, by the way. Very pretty. Move to New York and model.
Thank you ^.^
Milli also appreciates the comment.
he's such a gorgeous doggy!
I think part of the reason most people don't want to date poor people (mostly it's women who don't want to date poor men; rarely the other way around unless the woman's unattractive) is because women still have that expectation that the man be the 'provider'. Which he cannot do, or do well, if he is poor.
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