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23 Oct 2012, 4:29 pm

wtfid2, your comment about rape wasn't particularly funny or relevant to be honest.

Rape is about power, ultimately, but effects both MEN and Women alike, and, ignored by all mainstream media - apart from a few notable programs who have dared to portray and challenge it (The Bill, Hollyoaks) - that male rape is a concern (not highest on the list, but still) for single guys out at night.



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23 Oct 2012, 5:28 pm

I thought origionally this was about what would you do if you were with an attractive woman and treated you like s**t? Not some random rape and feminist debate.


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23 Oct 2012, 8:31 pm

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Also, I think I can see your problem now... If you say feminists this and that (negative) it's not really a wonder if you get a person who calls themselves a feminist to give you mature critique. You can either learn from that or claim to the end of the world that you are right which will be a lonely battle for you with nothing to win.


Mature critique, my ass. You're basically trying to tell me that my own personal experiences, which have actually happened, are somehow invalid just because you don't see it happen to you.

I never said "FEMINISTS ARE X." NEVER. I said... if you would learn how the hell to read, that "MOST OF THE ONES I'VE ENCOUNTERED ARE X."

I then complained how every time someone tries to talk about how most feminists are, along comes some stupid feminist to b***h and complain(which is exactly what you've done) and pretend like they don't exist. You acknowledge that they do exist, but then you complain about the fact that I mentioned their existence, and you take the fact that I mention their existence as some sort of validation that I believe they're ALL like that, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I NEVER SAID THAT, AND I HAVE SAID ABOUT A BILLION TIMES THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I MEANT.

LEARN HOW TO READ, and leave me the hell alone already, for f**k's sake. I'm tired of having to explain myself to a bunch of morons who don't know how the hell to read and get their panties all in a bunch because of it like it's my damn fault they're stupid. Are you feminists not content unless you're bitching about SOMETHING? Holy jumping f****' jesus...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3gMELlrO3E[/youtube]


*sigh*

I highlighted a couple of points where you were generally talking about feminists instead of individuals that have treated you badly. And you still pretend you never did that? You did that again in a phrase above as well.

I pointed out that I disapprove the way you talk about feminism. You turn that into some sort of personal war, attack on me and start calling me with names (which is something I've never done to you). As for your past experiences, I sympathized at first, but I think I see now from which side the problems you've encountered really come from.

You have neither read nor understood anything I've said and accuse me of not being able to read. *sigh*
I've made my points very clear as well as the fact that I stand for equality for both sexes (also acknowledge the bad apples) and I have given you more than a few exit opportunities from this debate, but you keep acting immature, narcistic and aggressive.

Grow up and learn to take responsibility of your actions. Nothing about your above comment makes any sense, it's aggressive and insulting. Somebody already made an excellent comment about narcissim that you should take into careful consideration when looking into mirror.

(I could also point out that with an IQ of 152 and knowledge of seven languages theres nothing wrong with my linguistic or analytical skills, thank you. Namecalling like that is stupid and immature.)

I really dislike idiotic arguments. I'll be taking my leave now, thank you. You seem unhelpable.


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23 Oct 2012, 8:47 pm

I cant believe that a mischaracterisation has caused such a silly argument. The feminist stadt mentioned are what others call feminazis in an attempt to avoid this exact same argument. Its teh put men down type of feminist, the loudmouths who go around finding new ways of making men seem bad. It has nothing to do with the ones that actually want equality between the sexes. Its why Im proposing those feminists and men with same thoughts make a new group. Equalists. Same idea, no biased name, and it leaves the extremists out of the equation.



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25 Oct 2012, 2:23 pm

Lilya wrote:
DerStadtschutz wrote:
Lilya wrote:

Also, I think I can see your problem now... If you say feminists this and that (negative) it's not really a wonder if you get a person who calls themselves a feminist to give you mature critique. You can either learn from that or claim to the end of the world that you are right which will be a lonely battle for you with nothing to win.


Mature critique, my ass. You're basically trying to tell me that my own personal experiences, which have actually happened, are somehow invalid just because you don't see it happen to you.

I never said "FEMINISTS ARE X." NEVER. I said... if you would learn how the hell to read, that "MOST OF THE ONES I'VE ENCOUNTERED ARE X."

I then complained how every time someone tries to talk about how most feminists are, along comes some stupid feminist to b***h and complain(which is exactly what you've done) and pretend like they don't exist. You acknowledge that they do exist, but then you complain about the fact that I mentioned their existence, and you take the fact that I mention their existence as some sort of validation that I believe they're ALL like that, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I NEVER SAID THAT, AND I HAVE SAID ABOUT A BILLION TIMES THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I MEANT.

LEARN HOW TO READ, and leave me the hell alone already, for f**k's sake. I'm tired of having to explain myself to a bunch of morons who don't know how the hell to read and get their panties all in a bunch because of it like it's my damn fault they're stupid. Are you feminists not content unless you're bitching about SOMETHING? Holy jumping f****' jesus...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3gMELlrO3E[/youtube]


*sigh*

I highlighted a couple of points where you were generally talking about feminists instead of individuals that have treated you badly. And you still pretend you never did that? You did that again in a phrase above as well.

Where exactly have I done that? I asked a QUESTION. Question =/= statement. So no, I didn't. Try again. Your high IQ seems to be on the fritz.

I pointed out that I disapprove the way you talk about feminism. You turn that into some sort of personal war, attack on me and start calling me with names (which is something I've never done to you). As for your past experiences, I sympathized at first, but I think I see now from which side the problems you've encountered really come from.

nope, wrong again. I don't go around bitching about feminazis all the time, but when I see them, I call them out. You can't blame the action on the one who observed it and told people about it; That's like blaming rape on the victim.

You have neither read nor understood anything I've said and accuse me of not being able to read. *sigh*
I've made my points very clear as well as the fact that I stand for equality for both sexes (also acknowledge the bad apples) and I have given you more than a few exit opportunities from this debate, but you keep acting immature, narcistic and aggressive.

if you acknowledge the "bad apples," then why do you keep arguing with me? The "bad apples" are the ones I'm complaining about, but I have yet to meet a "good apple" feminist because everytime I complain about the bad ones, a bunch of self-proclaimed good ones come along to pretend they don't exist and b***h about me calling them out on their BS.

Grow up and learn to take responsibility of your actions. Nothing about your above comment makes any sense, it's aggressive and insulting. Somebody already made an excellent comment about narcissim that you should take into careful consideration when looking into mirror.

I'd really love to know what I said that makes you think that I think that I'm important. You're the one running around talking about your IQ and how many languages you speak and acting as if that's some sort of certification of not being an idiot. What actions have I denied responsibility for? And what's so hard to understand about me being sick of feminists bitching everytime I say anything TRUE about them?

(I could also point out that with an IQ of 152 and knowledge of seven languages theres nothing wrong with my linguistic or analytical skills, thank you. Namecalling like that is stupid and immature.)

Oh s**t, you just called me stupid and immature. That is name-calling, so by your logic, you are also stupid and immature.

I really dislike idiotic arguments. I'll be taking my leave now, thank you. You seem unhelpable.


If you dislike idiotic arguments then change the name already and distance yourself from the "bad apples." Then we wouldn't constantly be having this agreeably stupid argument for the billionth time.



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25 Oct 2012, 3:20 pm

I thought this was Love and dating not PPR [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbrn9eXEKWk[/youtube] and for that it is about love not war.Enough of personal attacks live and let live embrace and forgive!


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25 Oct 2012, 6:05 pm

i hate competition with a huge passion



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25 Oct 2012, 6:30 pm

Now now, chill out or youll be taught how to talk to a woman :lol:

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If you don't like it, you can leave the forum.

Ah throwing your toys out of the pram again? You need to learn to speak to women properly, you think that is appropriate language to use? How old are you because you really do sound like a thirteen year old, I would love to teach you some manners.

Now jog on and do one, come back when you learn how to speak to people properly.



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25 Oct 2012, 6:32 pm

MXH wrote:
Now now, chill out or youll be taught how to talk to a woman :lol:

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If you don't like it, you can leave the forum.

Ah throwing your toys out of the pram again? You need to learn to speak to women properly, you think that is appropriate language to use? How old are you because you really do sound like a thirteen year old, I would love to teach you some manners.

Now jog on and do one, come back when you learn how to speak to people properly.


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25 Oct 2012, 8:41 pm

MXH wrote:
Now now, chill out or youll be taught how to talk to a woman :lol:

Wolfheart wrote:

If you don't like it, you can leave the forum.

Ah throwing your toys out of the pram again? You need to learn to speak to women properly, you think that is appropriate language to use? How old are you because you really do sound like a thirteen year old, I would love to teach you some manners.

Now jog on and do one, come back when you learn how to speak to people properly.


I find it funny that the guy who can only apparently keep women interested long enough for a one night stand is telling me I don't know how to talk to women. Clearly I don't, that's why I've been living with one for over two years. it's why I get hugs and kisses from her, and she tells me she loves me every day. And I'm sure it's the reason we had some amazing sex two nights ago(edit: and about 5 minutes ago. My dick is still wet right now because I clearly have no idea how to talk to women)...

Please, oh master of the female brain, TEACH ME TO TALK TO WOMEN!! ! For I am but a lowly serf in dire need of your assistance...

LOL, what a joke.



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25 Oct 2012, 8:52 pm

So earlier I mentioned that I'd been getting messages from other users here at wrongplanet who agree with me on the whole feminazi thing... I'm not going to reveal the identity of this user out of simple respect, but I was told I could copy and paste her words here...

"I didn't want to post in "to men here", and keep fueling arguments, but I'm a female, and I agree with you. The people calling you disturbing aren't understanding your point. Feminism is not what it used to be. It's not about equality anymore, they want revenge instead of fairness. I don't like them at all, I don't support they're efforts. Maybe not all of them, but most of them. The majority of them seem to be bad. I don't like people who try to take away other's freedoms."



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26 Oct 2012, 11:59 am

ROFL. I cant believe i missed that :lol:



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26 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm

DerStadtschutz wrote:
So earlier I mentioned that I'd been getting messages from other users here at wrongplanet who agree with me on the whole feminazi thing... I'm not going to reveal the identity of this user out of simple respect, but I was told I could copy and paste her words here...

"I didn't want to post in "to men here", and keep fueling arguments, but I'm a female, and I agree with you. The people calling you disturbing aren't understanding your point. Feminism is not what it used to be. It's not about equality anymore, they want revenge instead of fairness. I don't like them at all, I don't support they're efforts. Maybe not all of them, but most of them. The majority of them seem to be bad. I don't like people who try to take away other's freedoms."


I get similar messages from men who are insulted by implications that males are inherently sexist, and disgusted by the "Flat Earth theorist-nature" (from a message) of denying overwhelming concentrations of every kind of power imaginable in male (and Western, and straight, white, etc) hands as is a first-day, top of the syllabus fact in Sociology 101 classes.

I've also had men message me, mortified at the treatment of anyone who "dares to say" (in keeping with the above) "...that the sky is blue".

It would appear that the subject matter knows no sex as far as who believes what.


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26 Oct 2012, 12:23 pm

DerStadtschutz wrote:

I find it funny that the guy who can only apparently keep women interested long enough for a one night stand is telling me I don't know how to talk to women. Clearly I don't, that's why I've been living with one for over two years. it's why I get hugs and kisses from her, and she tells me she loves me every day. And I'm sure it's the reason we had some amazing sex two nights ago(edit: and about 5 minutes ago. My dick is still wet right now because I clearly have no idea how to talk to women)...

Please, oh master of the female brain, TEACH ME TO TALK TO WOMEN!! ! For I am but a lowly serf in dire need of your assistance...

LOL, what a joke.


Chest-beating aside, what does having a sexually-willing live-in gf really have to do with the implication that you're reactionary and hostile to women? Won't there always be exceptions, both in people's treatment of a different class, and the general standards people have for relationships?


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26 Oct 2012, 1:06 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
DerStadtschutz wrote:

I find it funny that the guy who can only apparently keep women interested long enough for a one night stand is telling me I don't know how to talk to women. Clearly I don't, that's why I've been living with one for over two years. it's why I get hugs and kisses from her, and she tells me she loves me every day. And I'm sure it's the reason we had some amazing sex two nights ago(edit: and about 5 minutes ago. My dick is still wet right now because I clearly have no idea how to talk to women)...

Please, oh master of the female brain, TEACH ME TO TALK TO WOMEN!! ! For I am but a lowly serf in dire need of your assistance...

LOL, what a joke.


Chest-beating aside, what does having a sexually-willing live-in gf really have to do with the implication that you're reactionary and hostile to women? Won't there always be exceptions, both in people's treatment of a different class, and the general standards people have for relationships?


I'm not going to resort to school boy or 4chan antics but I'm sure he thinks I made that statement literally and has taken it rather personally. In that case, I think he is the one who needs to learn how to read before jumping to conclusions and calling other people morons.



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26 Oct 2012, 1:09 pm

Wolfheart wrote:

I'm not going to resort to school boy or 4chan antics but I'm sure he thinks I made that statement literally and has taken it rather personally. In that case, I think he is the one who needs to learn how to read before jumping to conclusions and calling other people morons.


That doesnt stop that you did tell him
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If you don't like it, you can leave the forum.

Ah throwing your toys out of the pram again? You need to learn to speak to women properly, you think that is appropriate language to use? How old are you because you really do sound like a thirteen year old, I would love to teach you some manners.

Now jog on and do one, come back when you learn how to speak to people properly.


Atleast if you're going to make such a bold callout have something to say about it