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thank you. it's a lot more complicated an issue than "most women don't like math".

this thread is an odd little flame war.

I do think that for the most part women should be given the same opportunities as men. I disagree that those opportunities should be all exactly the same. For example women not being allowed in first waves of combat, or in some special forces. There is actually a valid reason for that, and it has to do with how women captives are treated.

I do not think that women should be forced into fields of study or careers they are not interested in, just to even out the percentages. Nor do I think men should be forced into female-dominated fields or careers in order to even out the percentages.

I think women have earned the right to be what they want. And not what men, or other women, want them to be. If a woman wants to stay home and raise a family, let her. If a woman wants to be a CEO, let her. Don't force a driven career woman to stay home... and don't force a dedicated housewife to go get a career. Each woman is different.

My argument for the math aspect was that I never had any impediment in my pursuit for a degree in math. No one told me not to, and I was encouraged to pursue it by my professors. What I did experience was a lack of interest in the field from other women.

But you have to realize that not every field will have a near 50/50 split. There will be unevenly distributed fields. And provided that women are given opportunities to pursue that possibility, I don't think we should fuss over the unevenness of a field that women might never be interested in making up near 50% of. I think we should open up the doors and let people pick which one they want to go through regardless of which one it is.

this has to do with your experiences and by no mean represents the norm. I know very intelligent women who are respected and admired. Time to let go take the blinders off and stop making excuses for your insecurities. I don't mean to be rude but if you can't be who you are due to insecurities you have to get over it because in the end it just makes you come off as a victim and noone wants to be around a victim.

I haven't had an issue with being smart and female.

I was referring to artist. Shes impling that she faces discrimination because shes a smart woman and that smart women are looked down upon which I believe is very far from the truth. I atleast know it is in my experiences as the smart ones are usually the most sought after and the most respected.

I will kidnap him before the wedding!

i'm sorry, but how could you possibly know whether i have faced discrimination in my lifetime or not? i grew up in a small and ignorant town, in a poor neighbourhood, and went to a poor school. so yeah, when you're smart and it looks like you may just be able to escape that place when you grow up (and especially if you are a girl)...you are hated. so don't presume to tell me what has or has not happened to me, you pompous, self-important ignorant buffoon.

i didn't imply anything. i flat-out f*****g stated that i am descriminated against as a woman. prove me wrong, a**hole. that's right, you CAN'T, because you don't KNOW me, and you CAN'T know a woman's experience in life with discrimination or sexism. so f**k OFF now, please.

i'm curious, if a black person were discussion their experiences with discrimination and racism, would you tell them to stop thinking like a victim and "get over it"? 'cause discrimination based on race doesn't exist anymore, right? just like sexism doesn't exist anymore. you tool.

I recall at school that most top brainy A++ students (even in science classes) were girls and teachers were used to cheer their grades (including men) and they were encouraged. I don't recall any sex discrimination incident toward their high intelligence , at least from the part of the teachers because teachers are well aware that girls do better in school (in general), colleagues of both genders were used to befriend those except one who was socially inept (maybe AS?). I am not saying that kind of discrimination doesn't exist but I was in a secular non-religious school though so maybe it doesn't represent much. Besides, I am not them , so I won't be able to know if there was any kind of subtle discrimination toward them.

My former supervisor was a lady and she was known by her intelligence and she was very admired by the whole company.
I can't deny that some men are envious of her achievements , including my current supervisor.

well of course my teachers weren't so ignorant as not to encourage me....the boys were HORRIBLE, however, and the taunting never ceased until i learned to keep my grades to myself. i will say not all of it was from the boys. but i will also say that as an adult, i receive more criticism and judgment for my intelligence from men still than from women. i can't tell you how many times i've been told things like "you're a woman, you wouldn't understand this concept. it's too challening, or beyond you", or "you sure do have a lot of opinions about things, don't you? keep them to yourself".......also i personally know many women who are UNAWARE when men are being condescending to them simply because they are inured to it (my mother and grandmother being two of those women)....it is so second nature for us to be patronised by men that most women don't even perceive it on a daily basis anymore.

but believe me, it's there. the more intelligent you are, the more of a threat you are. and men REALLY don't like women that make them feel threatened. it can make them very dangerous, especially those with a history of anger issues with women (usually starts at home with mom). if you have never been a woman in a relationship with a man who is not only less intellignet than you but also really insecure about it, then you can't imagine the dangerous situations that can arise from that. i can because i have been there. time and again.

if your asking me if I have ever said to a black person that I didn't think a situation was racially motivated and they felt it was then the answer would be yes. Sexism and Racism still exist but they are not in every situation. All the examples you have said are all versions of what you perceive to be the issue. Now while you may have had a few sexist situations some of them were most likely your assumption that it was motivated by gender.

I'm hispanic and I got pulled over in Texas and while the driver of the car was not talked to, he immediatly asked for my indentification. Now I could go and say oh its because I'm hispanic which is partially true but the reason why they did that was probably to make sure I wasn't an illegal immigrant. Theres been plenty of times I have been stopped by police to identify if I know hispanic indivduals can I say thats racial profiling that since I'm hispanic but its because people hang out in groups due to cultural affiliation and they needed help with a case. I've been called a spic as well as other offensive hispanic terms but is that racism ? no they were talking out of their a** because they didn't like me for whatever reason.

You choose how you see the world. I could say theres racism everywhere but it wouldn't matter cause in the end I could be white, I could be black, I could be indian and I will face the same problems due to how people act. So instead of seeing everything by race I choose to think of the person saying it and their motivation. Do I care at the end of the day about that? nope but I'm not ignorant enough to believe that my cultural identity is the only reason why these things happen.

in those situations all the problems are due to male insecurities. If you were a man they would do the same thing unless they felt you could physically beat them. In any relationship with individuals who have anger issues you face risks. If it wasn't that you were intelligent it would have been you talked to much, you didn't give them sex enough, you hurt their feelings, etc etc. So its not due to you being a woman or you being intelligent its more due to the fact they need to drown their insecurities.Just because they say thats the reason doesn't mean it is. As you see there problems really have nothing to do with you but they cast off the blame on you due to them needing an excuse.

i find it hilariously ironic that you, as a man, are trying to explain to me when i should perceive discrimination against my gender and when i should not because it doesn't apply in your reasoning--even though you can have no personal perspective on what it is like to be a woman on a daily basis, and what sort of pressures/expectations/dangers/issues there are for us, and how sexism is a daily issue for many of us. that is just hilarious, you have no idea

how can you have a better perspective than i do about the reasons that certain comments were sent my way, or certain events happened in my life that i classify as discrimination? were you there? do you know the men i am talking about? do you know the circumstances of all these events? no. you do not. i do. i was there. i was the recipient of it. not you.

As much as I hate to agree with someone who wrongly accused me, but she has a point. One can't know exactly what the other is facing especially if you only know this person online. For example, when I told once about the discrimination against short guys and another time about discrimination against my nationality , some members claimed that it's all in my head as if they know better.