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22 Aug 2014, 5:16 pm

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It is a risky thing and needs to be clinically controlled, if you consume carbs higher than what's required for this diet, while eating too much fat already as specified, then this might eventually leads to higher level of cholesterol and triglycerides.


That is indeed a danger. The slang for it is "carb creep" (as in carbs creeping up on you). If you combine high carbs and high fat......well we all know where that leads. I self-monitor with a blood test- drop of blood on a test strip to test for ketone levels (the pee strips only work when you first start because they depend on peeing out ketones rather than burning them). This allows me to tell if I am starting to get into a too-much-carbs zone.

It does seem like a lot of work for somebody who is neither epileptic nor frighteningly obese. I just put it out there as being suitable for some people. I had no idea it would have such a positive effect on me but it did. There is something about being free from the insulin spike roller coaster which is very calming and good feeling. Some people say "just eat low glycemic" and that certainly worked in my youth, but the older I got, the less it worked.

I would recommend experimenting with this for people who feel a little "fuzzy", sedated or un-energetic after eating a high carb meal. If eating na high carb meal makes you want to go flying around exercising, this will feel horrible. But if eating a high carb meal gives unwanted psychological dulling effects, this would be a good experiment.

For some people it is great. For others it is not worth it. I post this only for those who are tempted to experiment, not to convert anybody who has no interest.

In any case, the Lyle McDonald diet/exercise link I posted is not a link to how to eat ketogenically. Even though he wrote the definitive book on the diet, it gets very little play on his website and he is not a booster for it. He recommends it for certain situations, one of which I happen to be in (it is quite good for unathletic middle aged women who feel muddled after cake). So the links are well worth checking out for non-ketogenic, non-low carb diet advice. He really is well educated on diet and exercise in general.



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22 Aug 2014, 5:29 pm

In my opinion, you can't go wrong with healthy sources like brown rice, peas, fish, lentils, egg whites and vegetables.

I don't eat a lot of fruit though as fruit still spikes blood sugar and it can make the muscles appear softer.



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22 Aug 2014, 5:40 pm

Apples actually have a lower glycemic index than carrots, and while they do indeed contain fast carbs, they also contain more than enough slow carbs. Absolutely every vitamin (except for C vitamins) and mineral you need can be found in egg yolks. I eat much more fruit than vegetables.


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23 Aug 2014, 1:15 am

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Apples actually have a lower glycemic index than carrots, and while they do indeed contain fast carbs, they also contain more than enough slow carbs. Absolutely every vitamin (except for C vitamins) and mineral you need can be found in egg yolks. I eat much more fruit than vegetables.



An apple has 20 g of carbs - while this diet requires less than 60 of carbs; so no, fruit is better substituted for more nutritious veggies and better quantity.

But man- this is harsh; the idea behind the keno diet is to eat like our ancestors (cavemen) - hence by theory, it is the best for us since we have evolved with a such diet.



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23 Aug 2014, 2:19 am

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And if it is genes, since at least on a subconscious level attraction is based on gene selection, if a fat person gets fit, is that genetic fraud?
After all, many people are thin without trying to be thin.


If a fat person gets fit that means that his/her "strong will" gene is strong; so no, it's not genetic fraud, it is genetic compensation. :p

What if they used drugs to lose weight instead of willpower?

then they'll gain weight back quick once they get off the pills, unless they're taking steroids and stay on them.

That may happen but everytime I go off the pills for a few months my weight just stays the same. It doesn't return to its former high.



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23 Aug 2014, 3:51 am

Thanks Janissy! I think I'll try paleo for a month just out of curiosity, and adjust the carbs according to how I feel. And if it doesn't change anything then just reintroduce the foods that I'll have to cut down on now (luckily there aren't many, I'm borderline eating paleo as it is). This should be interesting! :)



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23 Aug 2014, 6:03 am

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By the way: Persevero, that first response you posted, when you wrote, "I didn't"? It looks like your avatar actually just spoke those words! "I didn't" would actually make a good quote under your avatar :)

<Friendly laugh>

Hah, I can see him saying that! It's one of my favorite movie characters of all time: Dr. King Schultz in Django Unchained -- and he'd be a lot more eloquent than I given the same situation.


Oh thanks for letting me know who that character is! I'll check out that movie.



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23 Aug 2014, 2:54 pm

I was so hungry that I ate 1350 calories today.



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23 Aug 2014, 3:15 pm

I'm gonna start letting myself go now lol


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23 Aug 2014, 3:35 pm

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I was so hungry that I ate 1350 calories today.


You won't gain any fat from eating 50 calories more than you did yesterday. If you're hungry, you may want to avoid sugard. Be sure to eat enough protein; protein has a higher thermic effect than carbs, and makes you feel full longer.


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23 Aug 2014, 6:06 pm

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I was so hungry that I ate 1350 calories today.


You won't gain any fat from eating 50 calories more than you did yesterday. If you're hungry, you may want to avoid sugard. Be sure to eat enough protein; protein has a higher thermic effect than carbs, and makes you feel full longer.



Okay. I'm going to buy proteins straight away tomorrow!



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23 Aug 2014, 6:35 pm

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I was so hungry that I ate 1350 calories today.


You won't gain any fat from eating 50 calories more than you did yesterday. If you're hungry, you may want to avoid sugard. Be sure to eat enough protein; protein has a higher thermic effect than carbs, and makes you feel full longer.



Okay. I'm going to buy proteins straight away tomorrow!


Good luck. :) Just make sure that your diet is balanced.


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23 Aug 2014, 7:01 pm

I once had a job that left me no time to work-out.

It was one of the primary reasons I quit that hellhole.

To fitness noobs: best of luck, and do it to get healthy, not to "look good." People who exercise to "look good" never stick with it.


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23 Aug 2014, 7:11 pm

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I once had a job that left me no time to work-out.

It was one of the primary reasons I quit that hellhole.

To fitness noobs: best of luck, and do it to get healthy, not to "look good." People who exercise to "look good" never stick with it.

Nothing wrong with doing it for both reasons, just don't try to drop to an unnatural low amount of body fat. 20% for woman, 10% for men.



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23 Aug 2014, 8:11 pm

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I once had a job that left me no time to work-out.

It was one of the primary reasons I quit that hellhole.

To fitness noobs: best of luck, and do it to get healthy, not to "look good." People who exercise to "look good" never stick with it.


Looking good and being healthy aren't necessarily mutually exclusive factors. A lot of people at the gym I go to look good simply because they're healthy.


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23 Aug 2014, 8:15 pm

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I once had a job that left me no time to work-out.

It was one of the primary reasons I quit that hellhole.

To fitness noobs: best of luck, and do it to get healthy, not to "look good." People who exercise to "look good" never stick with it.


Looking good and being healthy aren't necessarily mutually exclusive factors. A lot of people at the gym I go to look good simply because they're healthy.


True, but I've known several people that starting exercising simply because they wanted to be sexy.

When they didn't end up looking like models, they quit after the first few weeks.

Wanting to look good is fine, but I doubt that, in of itself, it will be sufficient motivation for beginners.


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