The UCSB shooter--an Aspie with a rant against women
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What, this quote of yours?
What those all conversations had in common, that there was an obvious 'boasting' tone in their conversations, they were not talking about them in a shameful way or even in an embarrassed them, but they were boasting about them. Sometimes they say something like " I am trying to convince him to settle down but...." or even "I told him this is bad but they're following him..." (this how it was said literary) and that's it.
I think they were exaggerating, but that's not the point, the point is why they are doing this? why they are talking about it? and why they are boasting about it? and how this can be any good publicity for their brothers and for them? and why they never mention sisters' encounters?"
If that's what you're talking about...I wasn't there and don't know, but this kind of talk among women isn't generally boasting, IME. It's theatrical scandal and sharing of a social problem. Depending on the social circle, someone may offer help in the form of useful advice. "I'm trying to get him to settle down," might be answered by, "You should tell him about [equally colorful cautionary tale, incentive, etc]." Women often bond and maintain friendships this way, by sharing and solving family problems. And gossiping.
About publicity -- well, it doesn't reflect on them, it's their relation, and they're talking to friends (as opposed to, say, a date, who might wonder what kind of mess he was tangling himself up in). And if they thought it would hurt their brothers, they wouldn't do it. Likely their sisters aren't so promiscuous, or, if they are, they'd be inclined to protect their sisters' reputation, because women suffer harsh social penalties if they're regarded as sluts. That's something you'd confide quietly to a very good friend, or on the phone, privately.
Bed, i'm going to bed....
No dear, it was obvious boasting, and everyone in the other thread, males and females, recognized this kind of social talk because it's a common social phenomenon, when a sister/mom saying things while smiling "I am trying to convince him to settle down....but girls are following him" or "my son is getting a girl every (x period)" while smiling, is justifying this behavior - it is more common than you think. Anyway, this off topic, but I just wanted to note that not only men are responsible for promoting that male promiscuity is good.
Okay. I've never seen it, that's all. My friends will brag about their sons' winning athletic/school/music prizes, being very smart, doing something menschy, cooking wonderful food, being precocious, getting into top universities/grad programs, getting a great job, becoming engaged to a beautiful/accomplished/very smart girl...but no, I can't imagine any of them bragging about how often their son or brother gets laid. For one thing, it's disrespectful to the invisible women, and for another...f***ing is an accomplishment? I'm sorry, I can't see it. Nor can I see any of the other women reacting favorably to it as a boast.
Just in general, though...yeah, no, I've never heard of it as a good thing, among women or girls. A promiscuous guy's going to run around on you, use you, and maybe give you a disease; why would you want that? By my age, some experience is a good thing and to be expected, but I don't think anyone I've ever known would judge a middle-aged boyfriend for, say, only ever having been with his college sweetheart-and-then-wife. On the contrary, that sounds like a solid, loyal guy, reliable.
I think in general, women distrust promiscuous men. Not because they perceive them to be wicked, but because they're likely to hurt women. Use them for sex, run around, spread disease, behave irresponsibly. Yeah...actually I just went back and reread your whole thread, and it's you trying to advance this "women boast about male relatives' promiscuity" thing a few times, while other posters sort of wrinkle their foreheads about it and say, "Well, that's weird, I wouldn't do that," or "those women probably feel very used", or come up with baloney evolutionary rationales to explain your posts. I don't see a chorus of, "Yeah, dude, there's always women boasting about how often their brothers get shagged." And then there's that one guy presented as a sort of circus freak.
(trying to remember whether any friend in history of friendships, or any co-worker, has said, "My brother's such a manwhore." ...crickets....Nope, that seems to've been reserved for teasing metrosexual male friends who're just plain flighty and/or closeted and date several girls in a row, then are agitated at the idea that they've used the girls (sex, generally not involved), and insist that they're still "such good friends". Not heard since mid-90s.)
Some members have never seen it, others did and totally understood what I was talking about, you've skipped the posts by hyperlexian, mv, Janissy and Gwenwyn.
This is getting too off-topic (yes, it's totally my fault), maybe it's better to go pm - only if you want to continue this discussion.
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Women integrate easier and can find a suitable partner, even if they are overweight or have mental issues. Guys on the spectrum have to put in a lot more work to improve themselves and even if you have a nice car, you might not get laid.
It's nothing worth focusing on. Even if it's true, what then? Women all stop going on dates? What us autistic men should be focusing on is self-improvement, not who's got it worse.
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Women integrate easier and can find a suitable partner, even if they are overweight or have mental issues. Guys on the spectrum have to put in a lot more work to improve themselves and even if you have a nice car, you might not get laid.
Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. In so many directions, too.
2. "I can't get laid," by itself, is not why men kill women.
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It is, most people fight over lust, power, greed, lust, jealousy and envy.
Humanity sucks, most people are evil but not everyone is bad, this guy just experienced the worst of a bad bunch..if people were nicer and more accepting, it might not have even took place.
So his behavior is not his fault?
Also, if women were "nicer"--by having sex and getting romantically involved with men who they were not attracted to, who scared them, who hated them and obviously saw them as objects, not people--then men like the UCSB shooter would not go on killing sprees? I doubt it. I also don't think people are obligated to have sex or agree to date people they are not attracted to. No one is entitled to sex or romance.
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Repeating this again: Even if he was getting sex, he would have been violent with his gf or even worse.
He also killed men but his main drive was his extreme hatred against women, it's all apparent in his videos.
Not all sexists and violent men are virgins and vice versa, and not all married men are egalitarians. Domestic violence stats are proof for that.
I knew married men who don't stop making sexist jokes or seeing any "babe" as sex material.
What, this quote of yours?
What those all conversations had in common, that there was an obvious 'boasting' tone in their conversations, they were not talking about them in a shameful way or even in an embarrassed them, but they were boasting about them. Sometimes they say something like " I am trying to convince him to settle down but...." or even "I told him this is bad but they're following him..." (this how it was said literary) and that's it.
I think they were exaggerating, but that's not the point, the point is why they are doing this? why they are talking about it? and why they are boasting about it? and how this can be any good publicity for their brothers and for them? and why they never mention sisters' encounters?"
If that's what you're talking about...I wasn't there and don't know, but this kind of talk among women isn't generally boasting, IME. It's theatrical scandal and sharing of a social problem. Depending on the social circle, someone may offer help in the form of useful advice. "I'm trying to get him to settle down," might be answered by, "You should tell him about [equally colorful cautionary tale, incentive, etc]." Women often bond and maintain friendships this way, by sharing and solving family problems. And gossiping.
About publicity -- well, it doesn't reflect on them, it's their relation, and they're talking to friends (as opposed to, say, a date, who might wonder what kind of mess he was tangling himself up in). And if they thought it would hurt their brothers, they wouldn't do it. Likely their sisters aren't so promiscuous, or, if they are, they'd be inclined to protect their sisters' reputation, because women suffer harsh social penalties if they're regarded as sluts. That's something you'd confide quietly to a very good friend, or on the phone, privately.
Bed, i'm going to bed....
No dear, it was obvious boasting, and everyone in the other thread, males and females, recognized this kind of social talk because it's a common social phenomenon, when a sister/mom saying things while smiling "I am trying to convince him to settle down....but girls are following him" or "my son is getting a girl every (x period)" while smiling, is justifying this behavior - it is more common than you think. Anyway, this off topic, but I just wanted to note that not only men are responsible for promoting that male promiscuity is good.
Boo, and how do you know your interpretation is the correct interpretation. How do you actually know what the subtext is.
Women integrate easier and can find a suitable partner, even if they are overweight or have mental issues. Guys on the spectrum have to put in a lot more work to improve themselves and even if you have a nice car, you might not get laid.
It's nothing worth focusing on. Even if it's true, what then? Women all stop going on dates? What us autistic men should be focusing on is self-improvement, not who's got it worse.
Agreed!
Women integrate easier and can find a suitable partner, even if they are overweight or have mental issues. Guys on the spectrum have to put in a lot more work to improve themselves and even if you have a nice car, you might not get laid.
Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. In so many directions, too.
2. "I can't get laid," by itself, is not why men kill women.
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It is, most people fight over lust, power, greed, lust, jealousy and envy.
No, it isn't, and you've missed the point of most of this thread and that tumblr I linked to. "I can't get laid" by itself is not a motive. "I can't get laid and it's that b***h's fault, goddamn it Ima make her pay" is a motive. It's the guy's conviction that he's entitled -- not just to the woman's body, but to attack the woman if she doesn't give him what he wants.
He also killed men but his main drive was his extreme hatred against women, it's all apparent in his videos.
Not all sexists and violent men are virgins and vice versa, and not all married men are egalitarians. Domestic violence stats are proof for that.
I knew married men who don't stop making sexist jokes or seeing any "babe" as sex material.
It's the very fact that misogyny is pervasive that makes it so easy for a sick, jealous dude like Rodgers to pick up a whole fantasy life in which his horrible low condition is caused by evil sluts who f**k other men but not him. And that's part of why misogyny is a problem everywhere it shows up, not just when it's part of revolting manifestos.
I don't object to Feminist views....as long as I'm not treated as a default, stereotypical man. I don't treat women as default, stereotypical women.
The ideal of most Feminism is an equal playing field with men. What's fair is fair.
I think the Mens Rights thing is utterly ridiculous.
That Elliot guy should have been alive during the 16th Century--then he would have been drawn and quartered.
I guess we'll always have Gender Wars, as long as there are men and women.
That Elliot was one big piece of s**t. Complaining about how girls were never attracted to him, and that he constantly got rejected by women. That no one wanted him. Complete BS. There were PLENTY of cute brunette, asian, mixed race kind of girls that would have dated him and be intimate with him (well, if he learnt some more social skills; stepped up his 'game') but he wanted the uplifted blonde tall kind of girl with fake carrot complexion and huge tits. And yet he complained how no one wanted him, and no one desired him. Well boo-hoo. I don't feel any kind of compassion for this guy.
What a f**ktard; sorrow over how superficial and judgemental women are, while he applies that same superficial way of thinking to others.
Plenty of guys probably would've too going by how he looks and talks(and laughs) in that youtube video.
Women integrate easier and can find a suitable partner, even if they are overweight or have mental issues. Guys on the spectrum have to put in a lot more work to improve themselves and even if you have a nice car, you might not get laid.
Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. In so many directions, too.
1. Tell yourself these fairy stories if you want about how easy it is for women to find "a suitable partner", but you are wrong.
2. "I can't get laid," by itself, is not why men kill women.
3. A nice car? You really think women sleep with men because they have nice cars? No, this is not why women have sex with men.
some do, i've seen video experiments and some video pranks. one where a guy tried picking up girls with a frari, and they were all over him, until he said it isn't his/ doesn't know how to drive it. While i don't think its a majority of the population. there are women who will sleep with guys with nice cars or lots of money. There are guys who do the same thing though. I wouldnt want to know those type of people, I believe/hope they are a small amount, but to say they don't exist i wrong.
I think people murder cause they have violent tendencies or they just don't value life. the "cause" they claim is just an excuss. not saying his reasons are right, but he could have done protests, videos, books, articles, to try to advance his "cause" but he had violence in his mind. no reason to kill other then to defend a life. if no one tried to murder then we wouldn't ever have to kill. I dream of such a world but i know its not a possibility
You were on your way to setting a record for it until you deleted most of your post.
1: Regarding your (removed) comments about NSF money, we got very little. That was by design. Accepting federal money exposes you to quite a few extra hassles, and most small contracts aren't worth enough to justify that.
2: You should be careful with your "Self Made Man" caricature. Our universities are shoddy enough that you might end up relying on people who took responsibility for their own performance early in life. Yes, most people use government services; and most people used Windows when Microsoft was at its peak. I avoided both for the same reasons. Not every government service is inefficient, and not every piece of Microsoft software was bloated. They both tried to provide more than I needed and had reliability problems. I consistently prefer simple things that always work to frilly ones that work most of the time.
3: As for your allegation that my tuition didn't cover college education, you're quite right. I didn't go to college. I learned crude C-programming when I was 14 by writing a prime number generator using just a pocket reference. At my first laboratory job, they put me in front of a measuring robot and handed me an outdated manual written in broken English. I was productive in a few days, and proficient in just over a week.
My side is a lot more open minded than yours. A lot of MRAs have read Dworkin. I've also read L. M. Montgomery and even Lois Lowry. I've learned how to change a 3-year-old. I've studied how we might better integrate women into the military. (Singapore designs a lot of their own equipment because their soldiers are smaller, and weight is a big problem. We might be able to copy or buy some of their stuff.)
I suspect that this obsession with losing your virginity is mostly just a modern cultural construct.
A lot of people talk as if getting laid is the main driving factor of life, and always has been. But think about it for a second! There are jobs that people have today (e.g. monks) where it is compulsory to be celibate! And those jobs have some of the highest life satisfaction ratings of any job.
