What is the main reason why guys have to do the approaching?

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18 Nov 2012, 1:19 am

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I'm an aspie and being one a male at that if I approach I may be labled as a lurker a creep or a sexfiend.If I don't ill be thought of as a coward and a wuss.When I ask a girl out heaven forbid I will always be shot down..I don't always want sex I just want to get to know her even though sex may be on my mind a lot its not when I just want to get aquanted and just talk.


yeah.... it very confusion.



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18 Nov 2012, 1:31 am

It's Nature. Natural selection.

...and up until just recently, Men have been making all the rules.

I think all the bitterness toward women from men who maybe feel inadequate in this area is interesting. As a woman who has always felt clueless about the dating scene, I feel a lot of it is unwarranted judgement of all womankind and outright fallacy.

Men and women are human. We make mistakes, misunderstand, have different agendas. It doesn't all have to be sinister with aforethought. It just is.

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18 Nov 2012, 1:57 am

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It's Nature. Natural selection.

...and up until just recently, Men have been making all the rules.

I think all the bitterness toward women from men who maybe feel inadequate in this area is interesting. As a woman who has always felt clueless about the dating scene, I feel a lot of it is unwarranted judgement of all womankind and outright fallacy.

Men and women are human. We make mistakes, misunderstand, have different agendas. It doesn't all have to be sinister with aforethought. It just is.

The universe is not obligated to provide anyone with a mate.


you will never ever understand what alot of men go threw. Im very lucky autism man in fact that I had sex before and once had a girlfriend. many aspie/autism men have never even kissed a woman. now these same men see all these women with the same disabilty getting dates. Yes some of them might being use and dump after sex but at least they are getting sex. These men are not getting any action of any kind.

unless you are 30 year or older and has never ever been with a man, then you really don't understand the pain of these men.
and I hope your not one of these women who go ''oh, women has it as hard as men do, us women have a hard time dating, even though I got a boyfriend and 5 ex boyfriend before him''. us women have it just as hard''



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18 Nov 2012, 2:37 am

Not to sound like a debby downer but least wonen don't get thought of as creeps.


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18 Nov 2012, 2:45 am

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Not to sound like a debby downer but least wonen don't get thought of as creeps.


Quite right. Aspie women aren't seen as creepers. Aspie men often, unfortunately, are. Through no fault of their own. Women will often interpret socially awkward, clumsy, low eye contact, strange mannerisms, behaviour as being creepy, sadly.

The number of post 30 aspie male inexperienced virgins is much, much higher than the equivalent number of Aspie women in the same situation.



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18 Nov 2012, 2:53 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
I'm an aspie and being one a male at that if I approach I may be labled as a lurker a creep or a sexfiend.If I don't ill be thought of as a coward and a wuss.When I ask a girl out heaven forbid I will always be shot down..I don't always want sex I just want to get to know her even though sex may be on my mind a lot its not when I just want to get aquanted and just talk.


If this is truly the case, you need to work on your approach. Your voice tone and body language far outweigh what you actually say.

I used to be all for the idea of women doing the approaching...that was until I started getting approached by a bunch of ugly ass women I wouldn't even shake two sticks at.



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18 Nov 2012, 4:32 am

Generalising gender roles is an excuse. On that train of thought, those same aspie women that someone said have been taken advantage of, and if you ask them would they rather have had someone who hadn't done that to them, the answer would likely be, yes. So, it looks like there are a lot more men taking advantage of women, lying to them, manipulating them, just to get sex. So, if you guys really want to blame anyone for your woes, blame yourselves.

Despite being an aspie woman, with tons of sensory and social issues (and I mean lots), I can still come across pretty "normal" to any NT out there. Of course it takes its toll on me, and hence why I need to come home after a days work and not talk, see, or text anyone. I have hard to work hard at this though, it didn't come naturally, as you fellow aspies may imagine I wnt to the trouble of doing a drama degree, and it was a turning point in my life. Looking back at my life before that, I didn't even have one single photograph where I was smiling. I still hate most of social situations, perhaps even more, but I have mastered the art of "pretend" to get by.

I don't know if because I am an aspie, but I don't find aspie guys creepy, or weird, or anything. I would always judge someone by what they tell me and what they show me. Looks don't mean much either. Looks can grown on me. I get people teling me I can't be an aspie because I dress really well and I am pretty. Just recalling this makes me want to scream. If there is one thing I hate, it's ignorance. So, to al aspie men out there who say you can't get a woman? Maybe you re just looking in the wrong places and not coping that not all women would go for you. Women are, in my opinion, more honest when it comes to relationships. But I hate generalising.



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18 Nov 2012, 5:01 am

MacDragard wrote:
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I'm an aspie and being one a male at that if I approach I may be labled as a lurker a creep or a sexfiend.If I don't ill be thought of as a coward and a wuss.When I ask a girl out heaven forbid I will always be shot down..I don't always want sex I just want to get to know her even though sex may be on my mind a lot its not when I just want to get aquanted and just talk.


If this is truly the case, you need to work on your approach. Your voice tone and body language far outweigh what you actually say.

I used to be all for the idea of women doing the approaching...that was until I started getting approached by a bunch of ugly ass women I wouldn't even shake two sticks at.
Better that than being thought of as a creep or a freak one may as well settle for the kind of woman who does the approaching.


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18 Nov 2012, 5:10 am

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...Yes some of them might being use and dump after sex but at least they are getting sex...


Trust me, sex truly isn't worth the heartbreak that comes with being used, taken for an idiot or even abused. I've been there and I know. I'd rather still be a virgin in my 30s than have been through the experiences I have, honestly.



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18 Nov 2012, 5:11 am

I wish I was single now. So many "allegedly" nice men here. 8O



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18 Nov 2012, 5:23 am

ColdEyesWarmHeart wrote:
billiscool wrote:
...Yes some of them might being use and dump after sex but at least they are getting sex...


Trust me, sex truly isn't worth the heartbreak that comes with being used, taken for an idiot or even abused. I've been there and I know. I'd rather still be a virgin in my 30s than have been through the experiences I have, honestly.
I agree esspecially when it comes to growing emotionally attached but yet cast aside like garbage. :cry:


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18 Nov 2012, 5:51 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
Not to sound like a debby downer but least wonen don't get thought of as creeps.


Or predators, rapists, lurkers, freaks, defectives, unloveables, nobodies or any other abusive term they want to use without guilt or consequences.

I do wish people would stop telling me to trust their opinion whilst continually denying my own. I haven't experienced a relationship and the natural progression of people in a relationship and I want to. I don't want other people's opinions on whether that'll be a positive or negative experience, I just want to experience it myself and come to my own conclusion.



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18 Nov 2012, 6:48 am

Whining and complaining about how you don't get sex, as if you are ENTITLED to it, is by definition creepy. Complaining about how women have it easy and life is a walk in the clouds for us doesn't make it any less creepy.

Creepy is frequently applied to men who behave as if they are ENTITLED to women's bodies, and it is a way of saying the general vibe given off by this guy is potentially dangerous.

Rapists, stalkers, gropers, etc. all have something in common that women can look out for, they feel ENTITLED TO WOMEN'S BODIES.

Being that several of you, who will surely deny this or attempt to justify it or call me a progressive, are sulking and acting ENTITLED TO SEX WITH A WOMAN maybe you shouldn't be shocked when women perceive you as potentially dangerous.

There is no fair or unfair about the word creep. It's a matter of how a woman FEELS about your body language or behavior. Stop expecting people's feelings about you to be "fair" you do not live in a world that owes you anything.

The more you blame the opposite gender for your troubles, the more time you waste refusing to find a solution to your troubles.


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18 Nov 2012, 7:09 am

unduki wrote:
It's Nature. Natural selection.

...and up until just recently, Men have been making all the rules.

I think all the bitterness toward women from men who maybe feel inadequate in this area is interesting. As a woman who has always felt clueless about the dating scene, I feel a lot of it is unwarranted judgement of all womankind and outright fallacy.

Men and women are human. We make mistakes, misunderstand, have different agendas. It doesn't all have to be sinister with aforethought. It just is.

The universe is not obligated to provide anyone with a mate.


Actually, in ALL mammals, the female initiates the mating in 80% of all cases. Men doing all the work in dating is a fairly "recent" phenomenon, given that modern humans have existed for 200,000 years.



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18 Nov 2012, 7:12 am

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Whining and complaining about how you don't get sex, as if you are ENTITLED to it, is by definition creepy. Complaining about how women have it easy and life is a walk in the clouds for us doesn't make it any less creepy.

Creepy is frequently applied to men who behave as if they are ENTITLED to women's bodies, and it is a way of saying the general vibe given off by this guy is potentially dangerous.

Rapists, stalkers, gropers, etc. all have something in common that women can look out for, they feel ENTITLED TO WOMEN'S BODIES.

Being that several of you, who will surely deny this or attempt to justify it or call me a progressive, are sulking and acting ENTITLED TO SEX WITH A WOMAN maybe you shouldn't be shocked when women perceive you as potentially dangerous.

There is no fair or unfair about the word creep. It's a matter of how a woman FEELS about your body language or behavior. Stop expecting people's feelings about you to be "fair" you do not live in a world that owes you anything.

The more you blame the opposite gender for your troubles, the more time you waste refusing to find a solution to your troubles.


The only solution to some of the guys problems here is becoming friends with at least three night club owners, getting enough money to buy a BMW and getting helluva lot of experience despite being a 30-something virgin. Losing your virginity at age 30 is harder for a man than for a woman.

Nobody claims to be entitled to sex, but seing less attractive, less intelligent, and weaker specimens getting laid more often is depressing.



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18 Nov 2012, 8:47 am

meems wrote:
There is no fair or unfair about the word creep. It's a matter of how a woman FEELS about your body language or behavior. Stop expecting people's feelings about you to be "fair" you do not live in a world that owes you anything.



That's a good point since I've heard that women read "body language" like 5-10x more than men. Guys need to remember that women are closely watching/analyzing every little move they make, and everything they say and do. By the way, women always try to hide the fact that they do that as well.(i.e. pretend to be easy-going)