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Erisad
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11 Aug 2010, 4:31 pm

V3N0M wrote:

Face it, men and women don't have a whole lot in common so what could you possibly want besides sex (No, this is not sarcasm)

...Oh I don't know, companionship? Someone who cares about me and doesn't want just a quick f**k? Ugh. It's attitudes like this that makes me lose hope in ever finding a suitable mate.

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11 Aug 2010, 8:13 pm

Sadly, a lot of what the guy says is true, if not exaggerated. That doesn't mean become that kind of guy, but it does mean to be more assertive and less of a nice guy. You can still be a good person and assertive, which is much different than being a "nice guy" or an abuser.

There is also truth to the fact that men and women don't have much in common. Men like a lot of different women...women like babies.

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11 Aug 2010, 8:26 pm

foreveryoung wrote:

*sigh* this is ridiculous. I may as well get my tubes tied because if this is how men truly are, I'm better off being a bitter old spinster.

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11 Aug 2010, 8:47 pm

I'd rather be the unassertive, childlike, inexperienced "nice guy" that I am, rather than the "Roissy" type. The "Roissy" type is a misogynist, and no half decent, self respecting girl would ever want to be around him, let alone have sex with him or have a relationship.

Being a nice guy gets you a lot of friends who are girls, and if you know what to do, this can mean you'll be a better boyfriend when your time will come because you know what girls' emotions are like.

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11 Aug 2010, 9:06 pm

Good luck with that.

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15 Aug 2010, 11:58 pm

Who is Roissy?

He sounds like a guy who is sexist and thinks women are inferior. I like guys who are faithful. I don't care if other girls want the guy I like or not. I'd prefer no competition. I hated the part about ignore her beauty. No offense to anyone, but I'd like to kick Roissy's a** for his dumb commandments.

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17 Aug 2010, 11:46 am

Erisad wrote:

foreveryoung wrote:

*sigh* this is ridiculous. I may as well get my tubes tied because if this is how men truly are, I'm better off being a bitter old spinster.

How is it ridiculous for a guy to focus on his own needs?

From a guys perspective, he has to have someone he wants to come home to at night. if you want to find a good man you have to take stock of what you "bring to the table". There are a lot more men dropping out of the marriage market simply because they see it as a sh***y deal in which their needs will not be met. A guys needs can be boiled down to three things, "Food, f*****g,and appreciation." I think appreciation is really the big one for
Men since early human history gender roles wereset and our evolution wired human that way. Society may have changed but humans have not.

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17 Aug 2010, 12:03 pm

RICKY5 wrote:

Erisad wrote:

foreveryoung wrote:

*sigh* this is ridiculous. I may as well get my tubes tied because if this is how men truly are, I'm better off being a bitter old spinster.

How is it ridiculous for a guy to focus on his own needs?

From a guys perspective, he has to have someone he wants to come home to at night. if you want to find a good man you have to take stock of what you "bring to the table". There are a lot more men dropping out of the marriage market simply because they see it as a sh***y deal in which their needs will not be met. A guys needs can be boiled down to three things, "Food, f***ing,and appreciation." I think appreciation is really the big one for
Men since early human history gender roles wereset and our evolution wired human that way. Society may have changed but humans have not.

I think your right about appreciation, but I dont think its an evolutionary characteristic, and I suspect that women like to be appreciated also. I also suspect that aspies fall down on appreciating their spouse as aspies are often not good at expressing their feelings. I know Ive been criticised many times by many people for being unappreciative.

I think as well men view deference as a kind of appreciation, and deference can be a hard thing to show (esp if like me, one appears arrogant and superior).

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17 Aug 2010, 12:24 pm

Jessi_in_wonderland wrote:

Who is Roissy?.

He is a blogger here´s a link to his blog but IMO it´s rubbish

Jessi_in_wonderland wrote:

He sounds like a guy who is sexist and thinks women are inferior.

He is a mysoginist and has been reffered as such pretty much every time RICKY5(for some odd reason he likes bringing roissy in many topics).

Personally I see his advice as a joke that shouldnt be takne too seriously, IMO there´s no one who follows all the Commandments and gets the girl(as a matter of fact the op is somewhat proud of seeing hookers from time to time so I doubt he has a lady).

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17 Aug 2010, 2:00 pm

RICKY5 wrote:

Erisad wrote:

foreveryoung wrote:

*sigh* this is ridiculous. I may as well get my tubes tied because if this is how men truly are, I'm better off being a bitter old spinster.

How is it ridiculous for a guy to focus on his own needs?

From a guys perspective, he has to have someone he wants to come home to at night. if you want to find a good man you have to take stock of what you "bring to the table". There are a lot more men dropping out of the marriage market simply because they see it as a sh***y deal in which their needs will not be met. A guys needs can be boiled down to three things, "Food, f***ing,and appreciation." I think appreciation is really the big one for
Men since early human history gender roles wereset and our evolution wired human that way. Society may have changed but humans have not.

If all the guy sees is what he wants, that makes him a selfish douche. I can see wanting to be appreciated but I shouldn't have to bow and suck his dick every time he gets a paycheck.

What foreveryoung was basically saying is "women are meant to stay home and make babies" which is a very outdated way of thinking. If a man has that viewpoint, they become unattractive instantaneously. :/

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17 Aug 2010, 3:23 pm

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How is it ridiculous for a guy to focus on his own needs?

To have needs and address them is all fine and dandy. To make your own needs far more important than everyone else's is the definition of selfish. And when I'm trying to combat the whole "autistics are soulless monsters with no empathy" stereotype, showing that I recognize other peoples' needs and going out of my way to help address those needs goes a long way. As a kid, I didn't give two s**ts about everyone else's needs and thought I was the most important person in the universe. And everybody hated me. Now that I realize that it's not all about me, I'm actually fairly well liked. So, in a way, I am focusing on my own needs, by helping others with theirs.

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17 Aug 2010, 4:48 pm

Roissey is like Tom Leykis on crack. It's like he's one of the disciples of Leykis 101.

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17 Aug 2010, 5:05 pm

FerrariMike_40 wrote:

The "Roissy" type is a misogynist, and no half decent, self respecting girl would ever want to be around him, let alone have sex with him or have a relationship.

Being a nice guy gets you a lot of friends who are girls, and if you know what to do, this can mean you'll be a better boyfriend when your time will come because you know what girls' emotions are like.

I totally agree with this. I'd want a guy to be a good friend to me first before becoming romantic with him. I think the only thing about this article I can agree with is that I like it when the guy makes the first move, but it shouldn't always have to be that way. What's wrong with the woman making moves on a guy if she wants to?

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17 Aug 2010, 5:27 pm

Shehzain wrote:

What's wrong with the woman making moves on a guy if she wants to?

If the guy finds her physically attractive, nothing.

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17 Aug 2010, 7:01 pm

spongy wrote:

Jessi_in_wonderland wrote:

Who is Roissy?.

He is a blogger here´s a link to his blog but IMO it´s rubbish

Jessi_in_wonderland wrote:

He sounds like a guy who is sexist and thinks women are inferior.

I enjoy seeing working girls simply because it is far less stressful and time-consuming than approaching and running game is. I've had far better, open, and honest conversations and far more affectionate and enjoyable encounters with women I paid than I ever did with women who were "unpaid".

Roissy is an influence on some of what I believe but I don't blindly agree with everything that he says.

I think his concepts of "Sexual Marketplace Value" and "Four Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse" are dead on accurate in explaining so much of the chaotic dating environment seen in the Western world and it also explains why people make maladaptive choices (example: Why women go for guys that are completely worthless by any objective standard).

Roissy's views encourage you to look for ulterior motives that may really drive what looks like "love" on the surface.

Roissy is also prone to hyperbole to get his point across.

Roissy is also very much against seeing working girls. That is fine and good when you're NT and can process the sheer volume of data that comes with running game and are willing to put in the time and effort that is needed to keep a woman interested in you. I frankly dislike uncertainty and chaos since it was such a part of my life growing up (Narcissistic father and manic depressive mother).

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17 Aug 2010, 7:11 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:

To have needs and address them is all fine and dandy. To make your own needs far more important than everyone else's is the definition of selfish.

What's wrong with that?

ToadOfSteel wrote:

And when I'm trying to combat the whole "autistics are soulless monsters with no empathy" stereotype, showing that I recognize other peoples' needs and going out of my way to help address those needs goes a long way.

People are generally thoughtless and uncaring. Why do you think soundbites and empty slogans are so effective?

You seem to have this weird martyr complex that is only going to be a source of pain for you. You will feel a TON of resentment and anger that will come out in not so nice ways.

ToadOfSteel wrote:

As a kid, I didn't give two s**ts about everyone else's needs and thought I was the most important person in the universe. And everybody hated me. Now that I realize that it's not all about me, I'm actually fairly well liked. So, in a way, I am focusing on my own needs, by helping others with theirs.

And are you really appreciated for it? Are your needs really met by being so "nice" to others? It seems to me that they are not being met.

You really should read John Glover's Overcoming the Nice Guy Syndrome. You have the toxic shame in a bad way.

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