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28 May 2011, 6:33 pm

cdfox7 wrote:

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If college educated men really wanted to marry waitresses, they could. I am sure there are plenty of working class women with Cinderella fantasies of marrying a doctor or lawyer that they meet while working the same minimum wage job as he slogs his way through school. Waving that Cinderella flag at these women has probably gotten a lot of college men laid who had absolutely no intention of letting a Hooters waitress bear and raise his future kids. But marry them? They can but they don't. Because they don't want to. They want sex with the waitress while former college classmate wife plays math games with their son to Einsteinify him.

So have Ovid, Strabo, George Bernard Shaw, & et al. have they wasted there time creating there's fantasies?
If so do we need to get rid of the Rhodopis', Eliza Doolittle's & Vivian Ward's(Pretty Woman) out of the zeitgeist?

No we don't need to get them out of the zeitgeist. They are popular fantasies. There's a reason why I get your references. They are popular fantasies for women. I've enjoyed those works. Lots of women have. There are men who like them too, but the audience for that sort of fare seems to be heavily female. There are men who also have that fantasy of re-making a working class girl into high society. But it doesn't seem to translate much into reality. It's probably just too much work and a lot of men probably have the sneaking suspicion that it wouldn't be all that succesful and so is best to stay fantasy.

So why can't man have the same type of fantasy?

You're find one such fantasy to be both "Einstenify" and for men, in the form of Pygmalion, in Greek mythology, drama, musical and film. Sometime this fantasy goes by the name of My Fair Lady.

Men can have the same type of fantasy. You gave some literary (and cinematic examples). But if it was really that common for men to wish this, I think it would show up a lot more often. There's also the Cinderella fairy tale and the "Weird Science" movie. But it's not really a common theme. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying that there aren't enough middle class men who actually want to make over a working class woman to make a blip in the marriage demographics.

Notice something else about these different fictions. In some of them, the man's attempts to mold the woman of his dreams backfire on him. That may be something that men are taking into account. Or maybe they just don't want to do all that work. Henry Higgins ran himself ragged with diction lessons.

Read the comments of the men replying to the article. They are all about how they have absolutely no desire at all to marry someone who isn't the same SES as them.

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28 May 2011, 7:09 pm

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Very true about Professor Higgins, its a lot like the joke & pun that florist's (my mother is a florist) about weddings "Aisle Altar Hymn" :lol:

Its the old 18-19th century battle of Romanticism vs Realism! Plus literary speaking its an issue of mimesis vs anti-mimesis, if you what to got all Platonic over that with this philosopher then please do whoo me by candle light ROFL :lol:

What I do find that this bloody PUA as turned dating into a materialist activity, the commodities trading of relationships!
That what you get you have a drunken orgy with Richard Bandler, John Grinder, Milton H. Erickson, Niccolò Machiavelli & Charles Darwin a sick brat named PUA.

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29 May 2011, 4:18 am

The article is misogynist and fat-hating.

They all are.

You're welcome.

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30 May 2011, 11:03 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

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Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.

Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.

Women might seem like they have more options, but those options arent necesarrily good options.

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30 May 2011, 11:07 am

TB wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

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Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.

Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.

Women might seem like they have more options, but those options arent necesarrily good options.

They may not be the best options for them but they have a wider choice to select from than males.

I think that what boo is trying to say is that some males settle with someone they arent entirely happy with because they think they are unlikely to find someone else whereas as females have a wider choice of selection they tend to be a bit more picky when it comes to finding a partner.

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30 May 2011, 11:19 am

spongy wrote:

TB wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

TB wrote:

Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.

Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.

Women might seem like they have more options, but those options arent necesarrily good options.

Bingo.

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30 May 2011, 2:45 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

spongy wrote:

TB wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

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Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.

Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.

Women might seem like they have more options, but those options arent necesarrily good options.

Bingo.

Repetition of a completely un-evidenced claim doesn't constitute support for it.

Keep telling women they have it easier because they have vaginas- bake a cake to that effect!- and maybe then people will stop asking you to support your claims about their sex.

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30 May 2011, 3:51 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

spongy wrote:

TB wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

TB wrote:

Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.

Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.

Women might seem like they have more options, but those options arent necesarrily good options.

Women have a wider selection of men willing to bed them for the night. Dating wise the range is about the same as for a man.

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30 May 2011, 4:10 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

spongy wrote:

TB wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

TB wrote:

Does this not apply to females too ?. Im pretty convinced it does.

Of course it does, but generally most females have more options than most males.

Women might seem like they have more options, but those options arent necesarrily good options.

Bingo.

I am not saying they have it easier. Keep telling that I am meaning this doesn't make it true.

Don't put words in my mouth, please.

anyways, let's cut this subject now because obviously it's causing drama.

and no, I am not counting the one-night requests in either cases, only relationship material requests.

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30 May 2011, 4:37 pm

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And who are you btw?

I have a gut feeling that I know you way before, did you have another username before?

This humor, this forward attitude, this honest bluntness in your posts ...it's unbelievably familiar and dejà-vue to me, but I can't remember.....

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30 May 2011, 4:48 pm

never mind....

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30 May 2011, 4:54 pm

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30 May 2011, 4:57 pm

please, edit your post spongy. Remove its content.

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30 May 2011, 5:06 pm

The whole content, sponge boy!!

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