Should asexual people demand protection from discrimination?

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ValentineWiggin
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17 Dec 2011, 1:45 am

I'm still not understanding the issue.
Are you denying that people can and do experience romantic attraction without sexual attraction?
Forgive me if I misunderstand.
If that's the case, do you doubt that they experience romantic attraction at all?
Or feel that sexual attraction is somehow a required component?

What would you suggest is "wrong" with an asexual's description of themselves?


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17 Dec 2011, 4:29 am

I'm bi-a-sexual. Right hand and left hand.



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17 Dec 2011, 11:23 am

anonymous-shyster wrote:
I'm bi-a-sexual. Right hand and left hand.


LOL. :lol:


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17 Dec 2011, 11:25 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
anonymous-shyster wrote:
I'm bi-a-sexual. Right hand and left hand.


LOL. :lol:


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18 Dec 2011, 2:01 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
I'm still not understanding the issue.
Are you denying that people can and do experience romantic attraction without sexual attraction?

I doubt that's possible.

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If that's the case, do you doubt that they experience romantic attraction at all?

If they experience romantic attraction, then likely, they do have a sexual orientation. How can an individual knows if they are asexuals when they have romantic tendencies? is a very interesting question. Heck! self-diagnosed aspies don't actually know if they are aspies until an actual diagnosis and self-diagnosis is questionable.

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Or feel that sexual attraction is somehow a required component?

Right, unless we say all children are asexuals and straights can have romantic attraction towards same-sex individuals and remain straight. (Yeah I'm repeating the same thing over, and by the last time, as I believe those issues haven't been solved)

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What would you suggest is "wrong" with an asexual's description of themselves?

Just because one person identifies with something, doesn't necessarily means it makes it so. If this is what it takes, and apparently enough to apply the label to themselves, then fine, but that doesn't mean it makes more sense.



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18 Dec 2011, 2:55 pm

I wonder if heterosexuals who use any position other than the "Missionary" should be concerned about being discriminated against.

Really.



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18 Dec 2011, 3:03 pm

I find it hard to believe someone cares about what position they use.


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18 Dec 2011, 3:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
I wonder if heterosexuals who use any position other than the "Missionary" should be concerned about being discriminated against.

Really.

well, all sinners will be discriminated in Heaven, so yes.



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18 Dec 2011, 11:02 pm

blunnet wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
I'm still not understanding the issue.
Are you denying that people can and do experience romantic attraction without sexual attraction?

I doubt that's possible.

So...I consider myself one of those people.
Why do you doubt the veracity of what I say my experience is?
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If that's the case, do you doubt that they experience romantic attraction at all?

If they experience romantic attraction, then likely, they do have a sexual orientation. How can an individual knows if they are asexuals when they have romantic tendencies? is a very interesting question. Heck! self-diagnosed aspies don't actually know if they are aspies until an actual diagnosis and self-diagnosis is questionable.

I've explained several times that romantic attraction is not contingent on sexual orientation-that's the very basis of the conversation.
I'm still not understanding what you don't grasp about it....
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Or feel that sexual attraction is somehow a required component?

Right, unless we say all children are asexuals and straights can have romantic attraction towards same-sex individuals and remain straight. (Yeah I'm repeating the same thing over, and by the last time, as I believe those issues haven't been solved)

I don't understand why it's necessary to call children asexual.
I've said several times that I think more people will identify as having romantic and sexual orientations which aren't mutually-exclusive,
as understanding of the complexities of attraction increase.
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What would you suggest is "wrong" with an asexual's description of themselves?

Just because one person identifies with something, doesn't necessarily means it makes it so. If this is what it takes, and apparently enough to apply the label to themselves, then fine, but that doesn't mean it makes more sense.

Yes, but a good deal more than one person identify that way,
and even were it just one person,
who, exactly, do you think is a better judge of someone's experience than the individual themselves?




In essence, and this is really the crux of the issue,
if I identify as a romantic asexual (I do), what, exactly, do you think is flawed or incoherent about it?
I'm romantically attracted to men and sexually attracted to no one-
what, in your eyes, should I call myself?


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18 Dec 2011, 11:14 pm

I agree with Fnord. Htf can asexuals be discriminated against? They don't get to use the communal f**kbooths everyone else is using in this weird dystopian future?



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19 Dec 2011, 7:45 am

I wonder about those ummm.. Japanese "Love Dolls". Maybe one day they can be programmed with an AI, and on that day I will be able to date an android. I don't know about you all, but I think that an android companion could have its bonuses.



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19 Dec 2011, 10:48 am

I wonder if robosexuals who use any AI setting other than "Consenting Adult" should be concerned about being discriminated against.

Really.



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19 Dec 2011, 11:35 am

Fnord wrote:
I wonder if robosexuals who use any AI setting other than "Consenting Adult" should be concerned about being discriminated against.


Will they have that silly squeal that women in JAV movies tend to have?



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19 Dec 2011, 1:46 pm

fraac wrote:
I agree with Fnord. Htf can asexuals be discriminated against? They don't get to use the communal f**kbooths everyone else is using in this weird dystopian future?


I agree.


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20 Dec 2011, 12:43 pm

i guess it's similar for gay people only it can be much, much worse. I don't think someone would beat up someone for them being asexual...unless people THINK they're gay. i have 4 openly asexual friends, 3 girls and 1 boy, and they don't seem to have too much trouble besides the whole people wanting them to date thing.

so yea i do think people should stop descriminating against asexuals, because even tho they aren't descriminated that much where i live doesnt mean they aren't somewhere else



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20 Dec 2011, 2:19 pm

mv wrote:
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I'm definitely not asexual, but I'm chronically single, which I believe is the same thing in the context of this discussion.

I've never experienced any discrimination which rose to the level of requiring "legally protected minority" status in employment, housing, etc.

Mostly it's just annoying: awkward questions that are embarassing to answer truthfully, and sometimes restaurant staff asking you to sit at the bar so they don't have to "waste" a table on a single person, but that's about as serious as it's ever gotten...


^ This. And going to weddings is more awkward when single, too.

I know, right? Thankfully, barring extreme tragedy, I can't think of a reason I'll have to go to another wedding.