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13 Jun 2012, 6:56 am

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ISo, in conclusion, don't assume that because you're an aspie, smarter and feel like you're more of an individual who isn't understood that you will be accepted as a hipster. It is a very exclusive club and its not one worth joining. Just be yourself, dislike mainstream stuff because a good chunk of it is garbage and try not to give a sh** what others think, that's not being a hipster, that's being you're own person.

The hypothesis put forth to me is that, since people with Asperger's syndrome are nonconformist by virtue of their neurodevelopment, they will never be "cool" as it is normally thought, but since hipsters esteem eccentricities, they'll have an easier time establishing "street cred" with hipsters by losing weight and throwing on a pair of skinny jeans and mocking people's taste in music. Pretty easy, and if you screw up some social cues, you can say you were being nonconformant while being cool requires a damned near perfect enactment of social interaction.


That's very true, but the theme of my post was more that "You'll never really be that happy unless you just embrace who you are" etc. I was actually kind of involved with the (only mildly)hipster scene years ago I speak from experience, but the people I met may have just been huge a**holes. They seemed like worse NTs than "cool" people I've met and were very racist to boot, but would always say it like they were being ironic.

I think your definition of cool is kind of skewed because I've known people that have more "cool" characteristics, almost all of them in fact and they generally were more tolerant and would say stuff like "Yeah, you like that man? Well you rock on buddy." I noticed you included the Fonz among cool people, well, that's how he would act too. The Fonz wasn't conformist at all and did whatever he wanted. I think instead of cool you should have maybe called it "The Jock" or "frat boy type" or something similar. Just because a person is athletic, naturally attractive, conventionally stylish and socially suave doesn't nescisarly mean they are shallow. Yes, there are a**holes like that, A LOT, but a big part of being what others consider a truly cool person is just not caring and not being so uptight about things. This is what makes it so hard for an aspie or someone with ASD to be "cool"

You should have included a picture of Patrick Bateman instead of the Fonz under your definition of "cool" because to me he fits all those shallow, materialistic tendencies while also being young, naturally attractive and athletic.



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16 Jun 2012, 8:34 am

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I think your definition of cool is kind of skewed because I've known people that have more "cool" characteristics, almost all of them in fact and they generally were more tolerant and would say stuff like "Yeah, you like that man? Well you rock on buddy."

This doesn't remind me of "the cool kids" from back in high school, but then again, I never really associated with the cool/popular kids (nor really anyone back in high school).
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I think instead of cool you should have maybe called it "The Jock" or "frat boy type" or something similar. Just because a person is athletic, naturally attractive, conventionally stylish and socially suave doesn't nescisarly mean they are shallow. Yes, there are a**holes like that, A LOT, but a big part of being what others consider a truly cool person is just not caring and not being so uptight about things. This is what makes it so hard for an aspie or someone with ASD to be "cool"

Frat boys and "bros" are not necessarily the epitome of cool, but some may consider some jocks and frat boys to be cool; by definition, though, I think a "bro" has to be pretty uncool. Bros are notorious for posting shirtless photos of themselves onto social-networking sites and traveling around in like-minded packs while uttering interjections like, "Dude!" and "Bro!" and talking about their latest "bromance." This can only be considered exceedingly annoying.
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You should have included a picture of Patrick Bateman instead of the Fonz under your definition of "cool" because to me he fits all those shallow, materialistic tendencies while also being young, naturally attractive and athletic.

Patrick Bateman from American Psycho was vain and materialistic, but he was a yuppie. Having met a few yuppies in Corporate America, I'd have to say they're not necessarily cool either even if they buy expensive clothes and gadgets; also, last I checked, being a serial killer is decidedly uncool. You can only be so cool if you spend all day chained to a desk and stamp out any individuality within yourself so as to better climb the corporate ladder.



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16 Jun 2012, 11:04 am

Cool depends on the social circle. It denotes respect. It is a relative term. Not everyone in a group can be cool, but one group might consider another group cool. Someone considered cool is looked up to by the social circle and they set the trends. Chuck Norris is considered cool by some, but mostly he is popular in an ironic meme-like way.

You can be a cool or uncool hipster, they are orthogonal concepts. Aspies may have a better chance of fitting into a hipster social circle than other circles. However, Aspies are rarely cool because it usually takes a high level of social prowess to become cool. In smaller, nerdier, circles it may be possible for an Aspie to be cool.



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16 Jun 2012, 6:19 pm

Gnonymouse wrote:
Chuck Norris is considered cool by some, but mostly he is popular in an ironic meme-like way.



The "ironic" part is that most or all of his movies suck.



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07 Jun 2013, 6:54 pm

Swag means false confidence.



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07 Jun 2013, 8:02 pm

For those who aren't cool, don't worry! The older you get, the less people care about being cool.

For most of my life I thought I was too mature to be cool. But the truth was, when you're young, being cool has major benefits. I subconsciously wanted to be cool but knew I couldn't pull it off, so I came up with excuses why I didn't try. BUT, often times the cool guys in high school and college don't develop an need to better themselves because they already have it made. Thus, the cool guys end up being losers and the nerds are much more successful later in life.

And I think the concept of "cultural capital" is better than cool, if you're into Bourdieu. It's more wide ranging.