Women who find muscles attractive!

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His heart condition was hereditary, his father died of a stroke when Arnold was in his 20's and his mother also died much later from the condition.

The book "The End of Men: And the Rise of Women" is on the kind of things that I was talking about before; how the economy is shifting away from traditional male traits. From reading the intro, it seems to cover how this affects love as well as how the recent recession - dubbed the "man-cession" for its large impact on male unemployment - has affected men

No, nothing much has changed.

Again, I repeat:
The Knight, the King, the Wizard and the Bard were always the variations of alpha male and I believe it will always be like this way for a long time.

Jim Morrisson was considered hot yet he was pretty skinny.

I agree with everything MXH said in this thread, and especially this ^^^^

I have a preference for lean men, geeky looking, preferably taller than me, and with a brain. But that's just me, right?

I also tend to witness, that a lot of those body builder types, are gay or gays in denial. When they are not gay, they are very insecure. Let me stereotype it a little further and add that most of the ones I met, aren't very clued up either.

But the eunuch was never an alpha male. Jim Morrison was skinny, but he never looked or sounded feminine, like Justin Bieber. In fact, he'd require a decent amount of testosterone to be able to grow what was a fairly thick beard.

That is a stereotypical generalization that discriminates against bodybuilders, you clearly haven't met a lot of bodybuilders.

While many bodybuilders are in fact insecure and even shy, most aren't gay. Not that gay guys necessarily have low testosterone levels.

To be able to gain muscle the way a bodybuilder does, plenty of testosterone is necessary. Unless someone can explain what specifically makes a young Justin Bieber more handsome than a young Marlon Brando or a young Mark Wahlberg, I'd say my point is proven. If they'd cast a more masculine and buff man to play the head vampire in a filmatization of a book for teenage girls and young women, I'd say that the ideal man today would look more like the way he did in the 1990's.

I'm not even a bodybuilder (no really) but my female attention increased when I started lifting. I didn't get hyooge, though. I went from 180, to 190s, and now back into the 180s again, and hopefully into the 170s. I DO think girls get tired of the stereotypical bodybuilding physique. I think one advantage I have is I have big legs and butt compared to lots of other guys (mostly genetic.) Basically for upper body, 90% of what I do is shoulder pressing variations of some kind, and plus I like the look of wider shoulders. I only recently started doing bicep curls as I figured out it'd make my elbows not hurt from pressing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IDqX1eMFmA
Is my goal physique. But I'm not Chinese. He's also got more muscle than I'd have at his weight (77K) because he's 5'7 and I'm 5'9. I myself don't really understand the appeal of getting huge myself. In my case, I was never skinny really. I found out I'm more or less a mesomorph, though.

Since the topic of muscles is being talked about, I'd like to ask a question to women here. What physique do you find more attractive, the weight classed Olympic lifters/powerlifters, or bodybuilders? Generally Olympic lifters and powerlifters have bigger legs, and not generally huge upper bodies, as you know "lift with your legs" when you're picking up stuff off the ground and all.
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I know Kinme said their legs scare her. But what do other women here think? Also, women, how much do you care about abs/low bodyfat? Like is a tiny belly acceptable, as long as you don't got some massive gut?

I think (reasonable) muscle looks good on guys and girls. What is a turnoff for me is when someone is so hyperfocused on physical appearance alone. The brain is the sexiest organ, and the one that keeps things interesting in the long haul. If someone is living at the gym, are they going to be constantly enthralling me with squat-thrust adventures?

Why is it discrimination? Nothing wrong with gay men. It's just a conclusion drawn up from my experience. I have probably met a lot more than you, given my age, and my experience in gyms for 2 decades.

Saying I *clearly* haven't met a lot of bodybuilders, is not only defensive but a false statement.

I'm the only one able to state who I have, or who haven't met, and the number involved.

Note: I said: "a lot"...not all! I also said "in my experience".

Most brawny people are quite intelligent. The conditions required to get results in the gym are so strict and harsh that most idiots won't be able to do it. Most idiots I know who've tried to exercise, give up when they realize that they can't continue to eat their junk food, drink their booze and do their party drugs and get results at the same time.

I'm not saying they aren't intelligent, but following such strict and harsh conditions just to reach a physical ideal seems like it would be all-encompassing and a little frightening, honestly.

Extensive/all-encompassing interests are a very common symptom of Asperger's. I don't get why that's frightening.

I any case, mastering the bench press, the deadlift and the squat takes much less time than mastering soccer, baseball, karate or any other sport. Quite frankly, I don't think swapping a traditional "bread and junkfood" diet for a high protein diet with all the beneficial nutrients is that big of a deal either. A couple of eggs and a few servings of fruit a day, and all your mineral and vitamin needs are covered. Add some chicken, plant oils, milk, protein powder and A LITTLE oats and vegetables to that, and you're good to go.

Maybe it's because such a focus on diet and health can feel pretty foreign in my neck of the woods. If I saw someone extremely muscled irl, I don't think I could look at them even. After a point, it seems completely out of proportion and just wrong.. Now some muscle and definition is attractive, just not to the point that seems bloated.

I grew up in the 80's and I can't remember girls my age ever going wild over guys like Sly. Action heroes were made for boys. The girls always liked pretty boys. The teen girl mags were full of guys like New Kids on the Block and others who looked closer to the girls' age with nice faces, eyes and smiles. Singing also gets more points than "looking badass" for stirring most women's romantic attention. I think it's more common for guys (both straight and gay) to fixate on muscles. For gay and bi guys the attraction is obvious, for straight guys I guess it's a power fantasy.

This has been pretty consistent throughout many decades. Go back further, what got young girls attention? Elvis, a pretty singing boy. The Beatles, more pretty singing boys. If they tried to make girl's teen magazines full of muscular action hero guys instead of the pretty singing boys, I think it would be bought by teenage gay boys more than girls. I can't find anything sexy in that Sly pic, but I can see how I may have thought Bieber were cute if I were 12. I liked River Phoenix back then.

Neither Elvis nor any member of the Beatles looked as feminine as Justin Bieber.



While action heroes are portrayed as the ideal TO MEN, several muscle guys in history has been considered widely attractive to women as well.

This was considered to be one of the most handsome men of all times in the early 20th century: