[Males only please] Would you marry a feminist?

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If you don't like feminists based on what you see on tumblr it's as hypocritical as their stereotypes of men you just pointed out.. Not all feminists are man haters, not all men are freaks who can't control their libido.

The depth of the ignorance and misogyny on some of these threads...I really don't think some of you are aware of just how badly it'd play to a wider internet audience, and how much you're asking, here, for "has delayed and often offensive views of women and sexuality" to become part of the broad public definition of AS. Isn't "socially inept but sweet and harmless" bad enough?

^ The wider internet audience, at least the males of this audience, have similar of the various opinions and views (pro and anti, regarding radicals vs moderates...etc) about feminism that you're seeing on WP and in this thread. For example, the term Feminazi is not invented by WPers or aspies. The male opinions are no different here than what you see on reddit, youtube or 9gag or other forums...etc.

You need to widen your internet browsing.

Oddly, men who take the representations of feminists at face value and as accurate descriptions of feminist positions are often cast as misogynist, but the feminists who make the representations, through statements or other actions, are fine. Sometimes, we hear "those are radicals," but that almost always occurs as a dismissal of a man's reference to some feminist representation. Many times, complaints of misogyny are actually blaming the messenger for the message. We really don't hear many objections to the true source of those messages, so the criticisms don't seem legitimately assignable to anyone who propagates them. Thus, slamming someone who references the message is more a matter of slamming who made the reference, rather than the logic of the message, as if that person was out of place to speak. Think about it - should men be criticized as misogynist for taking feminism seriously?

Thats why I mentioned the it depends at the beginning of my post. I am male I am a human being I do not fit the description of the BS stereotypes although I have a high libido i have control of myself. Im not really a political person tbh I just try and keep the constantly angry snarling foaming out the mouth genital mutilating endorsing hateful ones in check. I don't represent women's rights anymore than men's rights but human's rights because everyone needs rights and equality. Homeless people need shelter starving children need food I have done my part in charity time and time again donated blood for 9/11 victims donated money for Earthquake victims of Japan and also donated food and money to Haiti. I have donated for breast cancer awareness as well. The thing is representing the rights of one group of people or just one gender is not true equality in my book. I just don't want to be around people who want to be sexist towards me to make them feel better about themselves or make me ashamed for just being born male and take the blame for what other males do or the males in power I have nothing to do with that garbage. I am pro choice although I don't really identify as feminist but more egalitarian humanist its a huge dilemma for gender activist groups when they see that to them its all black and white your either a feminist or an MRA and not in between..but I am somewhat in between and it bothers them so much. But I suppose a more rational answer to the question than my prior post would be maybe..if shes for true equality and not sexist towards me at the same time I probably would. Sorry for the semi rant here I just had to get this off my chest. The sex positive feminists are ok in my book they seem the most rational and level headed. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo[/youtube]The most inspiring speech ever and how a man should be.

Reddit etc. are not "the wider internet audience". They're a subset, and there's likely a pretty strong incidence of AS there anyway. The wider internet audience involves people who are not primarily young men, and they're influential decisionmakers. They run businesses and universities, they're on school boards and run elementary schools, they're district psychologists, they're HR managers, they're responsible grownups. A great many of them are grown women who'd find this sort of thing appalling. That Aspie conversation involves what seems to be a tremendous amount of the sort of talk about women you might expect from 12-year-old boys -- 12-yo boys with dads who're ignorant, misogynist, or asleep at the switch...well, that's an interesting news item. It'd get play, and it'd get play in venues where responsible grownups would hear or read it. And I really don't think you want this to be part of their perception of "man with Aspergers'".

What I'm saying is that you're in public in a heavily-researched area. And that if you and others here insist on talking the way you do about women, it's a matter of time before some researcher picks it up as a "hey, thing nobody else has written about AS, I can make my mark here" subject. And then from there it hits broader media, because it's a tasty news tidbit.

Me and others? Where did I insult women now?

Look, if you hate all men here you can simply stop entering wp, isn't that a wonderful solution?

And therein lies the problem. Women's rights do need protecting. But so do those of the disabled, minority ethnics and gays. I would say that such a person is not a feminist, but a humanist: a believer in the worth of humanity and all humans. This is why I like the UK's recent overhauling of its disparate anti-discrimination legislation into one simple law: The Equality Act 2010.

because she questions your view on feminists she's a man-hater?

you completely missed the point of what she was saying, yet managed to illustrate the point yourself perfectly. astounding.

That is a very good point. Attempts to obtain equality that are narrow and isolated often beget a pecking order.

yes, because everyone knows that people who self-identify as feminists care about women and NO OTHER GROUPS ALL. disabled, ethnic groups, gays--feminists don't care about you, they just want all the power for themselves so they can enslave men! yeehaw!! !! !! !! !! !!

True equality must have a broad enough scope to be fully inclusive. Narrowly scoped initiatives, by their nature, exclude some.

if you've ever done any reading on feminism or other types of activism, you would have come across this term: intersectionality.

for a good definition of it and how it effects feminism, check this out: Geek Feminism: Intersectionality

that is, if you care to learn about real feminism and real feminists, and not the "man-hating" straw man feminist that everyone here seems to insist most feminists actually are (even the ones who seem reasonable apparently are lying to me about it. ).

And that's just because I mentioned a subset of feminists who have bitterness toward men then I am an anti-feminist, because that what you and her are basically saying. Put on your glasses and read my post again:




So seriously, stop trying to attempt to project sexism on me, btw, I voted yes in the poll (bolding that because you might have selective blindness). You are confirming what SoftwareEngineer said, just because I happen to be male and I said something about some feminists then my view on the whole feminism is automatically labeled misogynist! Seriously, grow up, both of you and learn how to debate.

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I'm not going to participate in turning this into a flame fest. I think the poll should continue and no one should bait the moderators into locking this thread.

If there were real objections to the representations of the so called "radicals," feminists would respond directly to them, rather than waiting for an inconvenient citation. If feminists widely believe they are being misrepresented, then the representation needs to change. Or, at least, publicly distance themselves from those representations.

what, you mean like many of the feminist women on this site are CONSTANTLY doing? i can't count how many conversations i have personally been in on this site in which i have felt the need to remind people over and over again that i am a feminist and those radicals do not represent me or my opinions. is that public enough for you? FFS.