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23 May 2008, 2:46 am

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The way I see it, this isn't really a thread about dissing women. Similar behavior can be ascribed to men. Consider the following joke, which I should stress I'm not necessarily advocating the point of view of:

"Riding a moped is like riding a fat chick. Fun 'til your friends catch ya."

What's important to understand about the joke here is that jokes like this, while chauvinistic and unkind, contain a kernel of truth. Virtually all jokes that are actually funny to any reasonable number of people do. Here, the fundamental truth expressed in the joke is that men do, in fact, care what their friends think of the girl they're with. It makes sense to me, when measuring the validity of a generalization, to rely upon something organic like humor. For instance, a joke about how guys love mayo on their french fries would fall flat, because it's not a valid generalization about guys. A joke about how guys like power tools, on the other hand, may or may not work but would not fail because of the power tool aspect, because that is a valid generalization about guys.

People like to date people their friends approve of and, in fact, good friends disapproving of a significant other is a good indicator that they're wrong for you, whether you're a man or a woman. I've been on both sides of this, watching friends make tragic mistakes in love with partners I and their other friends disapproved of and being the one defending my significant other to friends, only to later realize they had been right about everything.

Women are not evil in the first place and certainly not because they want to date someone their friends approve of. If they're really friends, they know her pretty well and therefore are pretty reliable judges when it comes to who's right for them. The problem this presents for aspies, I think, is that they have a harder time standing up to such severe scrutiny because it's all based on them being socially acceptable. Social adeptness not being an aspie strong suit, they're likely to fail the friend litmus test and that's not a false positive either. Instead, it's a helpful indicator that, long-term, their significant other will not find them socially acceptable either and the relationship is doomed. Could've saved myself a rather staggering amount of pain if I'd realized this earlier. My advice to both guys and girls is that, if your friends don't like your partner, dump them quickly and decisively as soon as possible. In my most recent and, believe me, last ever relationship, her friends couldn't stand me and the fact that they were also my and her Sunday School class made it all the worse.

Cold hard bastardly truth? If you can't endear yourself to a guy or a girl's friends, coworkers, and family, and by that I mean any given guy or girl's friends, coworkers, and family, you will never have a functional relationship and probably will be denied the opportunity to ever reproduce for a variety of very good reasons. Cruel as that may sound, I'm not being mean, because if what I'm saying applies to anyone, it does to me.

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It wasn't relating to the this particular topic.


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23 May 2008, 11:21 am

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I am depressed to the point I have no choice but to try. Choice is an illusion like free will.


A relationship will not solve your problem. You need to be happy first.


Good advice for NT's maybe, bad advice to aspies. If the lack of a relationship is what is causing him to be unhappy, then he isn't going to be able to solve that by acting happy or even trying to convince himself he is happy. That is a bit like a man who has been out in the desert for 6 days with no water, dying of thirst, thinking... "water will not solve my problem. I need to be happy first".

Extreme comparison, you say? Not really... love, like thirst, is a human biological need... and because we are aspie, these needs are often magnified to the level of obsession when not being met. However, unlike many of our other aspie obsessions that may go subside when we focus on other things, those based on biological needs will not... until the needs are met.

So it is true that a relationship won't solve all of your problems, to be sure. But it will solve the obsessing-over-not-being-in-a-relationship problem, which seems to be your biggest focus right now. Don't ignore it to search for some mythical solitary happiness, unless you want to be alone for the rest of your life.... because if you manage to find that happiness, you will not want to give it up to be in a relationship later. Besides, if you are anything like me, if you're not actively looking, you won't have any reason to do anything conducive to even meeting anyone of the opposite sex, and it becomes a moot point.


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23 May 2008, 1:45 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
It wasn't relating to the this particular topic.


I think it does somewhat.



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23 May 2008, 3:09 pm

If you are dating a ret*d silly fugly woman who laughs in public loudly like a harlot hag and doesn't even know the difference between Iran and KSA, would you feel proud being with her around your friends? Won't you feel embarrassed?



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23 May 2008, 3:47 pm

I think the original message of Aspie Chav was totally miscontrued- i dont think it has anything to do with status, money, or superficiality.

People want mates who get along with their friends and family. You dont have to be the life of the party, but they want people who would like to get to know their loved ones, possibly go out with them on friend or family outings, to be able to have a conversation- doesnt have to be a great philosophical one, just a normal conversation.

It's simply an effort to coordinate all areas of your life. I've told my boyfriend that it's important he at least tries to understand m family, as I am around them a lot, and he wasnt very close with his so it is something new for him. I cant tell you how uncomfortable, stressful and sad it is when two halves of your life dont get along or even do not understand each other. You want people to like each other, especially if they both mean a lot to you. If you feel like your mate wont get along with your friends, it kind of sucks. I try to be sociable with his friends, and he tried with mine. We dont ask each other to be perfect social butterflies; any effort is effort appreciated. You dont want one side to always be in your ear of why that person isnt right for you. It avoids MANY problems.



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23 May 2008, 4:13 pm

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Good advice for NT's maybe, bad advice to aspies. If the lack of a relationship is what is causing him to be unhappy, then he isn't going to be able to solve that by acting happy or even trying to convince himself he is happy. That is a bit like a man who has been out in the desert for 6 days with no water, dying of thirst, thinking... "water will not solve my problem. I need to be happy first".


I agree most definitely just from my own past experiences. I believed unknowingly that by impressing those with pomposity would invoke "acceptance" and in return induce happiness. Consequently however, it made my life more unhappy.

Lately I've noticed if I am willing to accept my quirks, the more pleased I am with me. I'm also finding that I'm gravitating to people who share some of the common prospects as myself which I find to be a positive. In my point of view, I don't agree that relationships are divinely based upon status, looks, intellect, etc. The type of people I tried to impress made relations hard. So I've come to my own conclusion that you attract the things that you inhibit. Some may reject this notion because they are unaware of what they harvest making conjectures the solution to all their problems.


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23 May 2008, 4:16 pm

^^ you have changed, your posts are too serious lately :( , no humor at all.



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23 May 2008, 4:16 pm

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OK.

I just get outraged when I see many threads dissing women so much in the Love and Dating forum.

That's simply because AS guys have a more difficult time than the girls in this department... I don't care what you say, it's true.



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23 May 2008, 4:51 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ you have changed, your posts are too serious lately :( , no humor at all.



Disreguarding the humor part, I believe she is being honest with herself, instead of trying to be someone she is not. 8)


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23 May 2008, 5:02 pm

Wow did I invoke a reaction or what? :|


As for the response to the quote....I guess it touched me beyond humor. It reminded me of some serious stuff. :oops:


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23 May 2008, 5:05 pm

Space wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
OK.

I just get outraged when I see many threads dissing women so much in the Love and Dating forum.

That's simply because AS guys have a more difficult time than the girls in this department... I don't care what you say, it's true.


OK Space calm down you look like you're about to hit me. :| :lol:


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23 May 2008, 5:16 pm

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That's simply because AS guys have a more difficult time than the girls in this department... I don't care what you say, it's true.

As a woman, I can say that you have no idea how difficult it is. Different, but no less difficult. When was the last time you had to worry that you might be raped on a date? It can be overwhelming, when aspie, and trying to make trust decisions. We frequently just don't bother with dating at all.



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23 May 2008, 5:58 pm

Fear of being raped is a genuinely female specific problem, NT or AS, I grant you. Men do have to worry about being hurt in a variety of ways too, however. Trust issues are universal, I think, but men do have the disadvantage of basically having to take women's word for it that they performed well sexually in any given encounter. That's a hell of a lot of trust to give somebody, and a primary reason I intend to remain single for the rest of my life. Men also have to worry about marriage and its financial implications for them. Remember, in a community property state, she gets half of his gross pretax dollars in the event of divorce. So women have to worry about their partners raping them and men have to worry about being cruelly humored in bed and robbed for half of what they're worth. Of course, I'm sure there are obvious exceptions, but my point is valid.

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23 May 2008, 6:06 pm

Frank, thanks for your perspective. Trust is an issue for both males and females. I don't think you should let what someone says about your performance in bed tear you down. If they do that, they're not a good person. I'm sorry that judges are not always fair in community property states, but I really have to say that comparing those two things to rape is...well, I just don't have words for it. :(



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23 May 2008, 9:31 pm

The rape comparison isn't my own idea. I got it from one of Gene Simmons' books. The idea is that men define themselves by their ability to be financially independent, if single, or a good provider, if coupled. The way the loss of that status affects a man is, essentially, a profound loss of control and power, the exact description a rape crisis counselor friend of mine gives to explain the toll rape takes on a woman. Also, she informed me when I mentioned this debate to her that about 5% of reported rapes are men, and yes that stat counts only heterosexual rape. Surprised me too, but she's the expert.

As to the trust in bed thing, I'm not equating that to rape in degree or importance, only in the sense that men usually don't have to worry about rape and women don't usually have to worry about their partner faking, so there are male exclusive trust issues. Of course, my friend's above point weakens that, so there you go.

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24 May 2008, 1:45 pm

We got of track a little. The way for aspies to view how woman choose their partners. Can she show him to her friends? This is one of the pass criterias.