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27 Dec 2009, 12:42 am
27 Dec 2009, 5:46 am
Spazzergasm wrote:
well, my friend told me on msn he wanted to commit suicide because he's so depressed. at the words i started crying because i know what it feels like to be depressed and the idea of him in that pain made me cry.
You just proved my point.
The IDEA of that pain made you cry. First you had to try to put yourself in his shoes from a logical (rational) point of view and when you understood how emotional you would be in that situation you became emotional as well.
Empathic people don't need to put themselves in other peopele's shoes to become emotional. They just feel bad spontaneously when the other person is feeling bad, even if they cannot possibly imagine themselves in the other person's shoes.
Spazzergasm wrote:
those empathogens seem interesting...how do they make you feel true empathy?
It's really hard to say because I've only used them 2 or 3 times in my life and in each case I used it in combination with LSD (so I don't really know what effect came from which drug). The strongest memory I have from it is that for a certain amount of time my head was filled with fluffy "My Little Pony" or "Carebears" style thoughts, feelings and images.... which is pretty weird for a guy.... but it felt wonderful.
To really understand the effect of empathogenic drugs I will have to use them seperately and in a more complex social situation (I was always with a friend and sometimes his wife). This'll be something to try in 2010
27 Dec 2009, 6:08 am
27 Dec 2009, 7:10 am
makuranososhi wrote:
Salon, please read your PM.
I did. From now on, I will avoid referencing illegal drugs in the public section of this forum, although I strongly object to such a policy as I believe awareness of the positive effects of certain drugs is absolutely necessary if we ever want these drugs to be considered a valid replacement for current drugs used in a therapeutic context.
I just responded to your reply to my reply
27 Dec 2009, 9:41 am
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27 Dec 2009, 12:06 pm
Salonfilosoof wrote:
Spazzergasm wrote:
You just proved my point.
The IDEA of that pain made you cry. First you had to try to put yourself in his shoes from a logical (rational) point of view and when you understood how emotional you would be in that situation you became emotional as well.
Empathic people don't need to put themselves in other peopele's shoes to become emotional. They just feel bad spontaneously when the other person is feeling bad, even if they cannot possibly imagine themselves in the other person's shoes.
It's really hard to say because I've only used them 2 or 3 times in my life and in each case I used it in combination with LSD (so I don't really know what effect came from which drug). The strongest memory I have from it is that for a certain amount of time my head was filled with fluffy "My Little Pony" or "Carebears" style thoughts, feelings and images.... which is pretty weird for a guy.... but it felt wonderful.
To really understand the effect of empathogenic drugs I will have to use them seperately and in a more complex social situation (I was always with a friend and sometimes his wife). This'll be something to try in 2010
The IDEA of that pain made you cry. First you had to try to put yourself in his shoes from a logical (rational) point of view and when you understood how emotional you would be in that situation you became emotional as well.
Empathic people don't need to put themselves in other peopele's shoes to become emotional. They just feel bad spontaneously when the other person is feeling bad, even if they cannot possibly imagine themselves in the other person's shoes.
It's really hard to say because I've only used them 2 or 3 times in my life and in each case I used it in combination with LSD (so I don't really know what effect came from which drug). The strongest memory I have from it is that for a certain amount of time my head was filled with fluffy "My Little Pony" or "Carebears" style thoughts, feelings and images.... which is pretty weird for a guy.... but it felt wonderful.
To really understand the effect of empathogenic drugs I will have to use them seperately and in a more complex social situation (I was always with a friend and sometimes his wife). This'll be something to try in 2010
hmm....but......doesnt everyone require a thought process before they feel bad? the way your making it out, empathy would seem to be a pretty useless sort of emotion.
ok, what about this situation? at my summer camp, we were worshipping (christian camp)...everyone started crying and stuff, i'm not sure what happened, but we all got really emotional in a happy way. i started crying too....it was weird. there was no thoughts involved in my emotions. someone put their hand on me and started praying for me, and i started sobbing too. wow, this seems weird. XD isnt that empathy? i didnt start crying until someone touched me though...
how's my little pony empathetic?
but yeah, i do need to understand how i would feel to understand how they would feel...doesnt every human need to do that?
well, pm me the results when you try the drugs again. i'm curious.
27 Dec 2009, 12:21 pm
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