Significant other demanding I defriend an ex-crush

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06 May 2010, 12:13 am

I think it depends on the relationship. Some people have standards about stuff like that but other people are fairly loose with who they are happy with their partner seeing. An asexual relationship for example may be easier for a partner to tolerate exes being friends with one partner as long as the friendship doesnt take precedent over the relationship. The sexual element that creates the jealousy on most part is not an issue.

Also poly relatiionships likely allow more ex friendship. Perhaps people just need to find the right kind of relationship for them.


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06 May 2010, 12:16 am

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N (ame)., will you have this man/woman to be your husband/wife; to live together in the covenant of marriage? Will you love him/her, comfort him/her, honor and keep him/her, in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others, be faithful to him/her as long as you both shall live?


Thankfully, that's why we have a separation of church and state. Otherwise, you get hardcore Muslims making women walk around in combat fatigues, hardcore Christians abstaining from the "romance" part of a romantic relationship until the above marriage. Two people of the same sex being romantic getting stoned to death, the same for rape victims, and the list just goes on and on.

"Forsaking all others" can be interpreted in so many ways. I will forsake my children for my sexually abusive husband! I will forsake my friends for my emotionally insecure wife! The list goes on and on here too.



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06 May 2010, 1:49 am

While I see nothing wrong in having opposite sex friends while in a relationship, I think the issue is that you mentioned that your ex-crush is your ideal woman, and it is making your current girlfriend feel insecure and not good enough.

If it weren't for that, I would have no problem with the two of you being friends. If you have hit a snag with your current partner, discuss it with her, and maybe it can help improve your relationship.


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06 May 2010, 7:27 am

zen_mistress wrote:
I think it depends on the relationship. Some people have standards about stuff like that but other people are fairly loose with who they are happy with their partner seeing. An asexual relationship for example may be easier for a partner to tolerate exes being friends with one partner as long as the friendship doesnt take precedent over the relationship. The sexual element that creates the jealousy on most part is not an issue.

Also poly relatiionships likely allow more ex friendship. Perhaps people just need to find the right kind of relationship for them.


I do agree that people need to find the right kind of relationship for them, but I disagree that it is necessarily the sexual element that creates the jealousy . . . it is the TIME element. Having been in polyamorous relationships the time sharing was the flash point far more than any intimacy involved.


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06 May 2010, 7:31 am

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sinsboldly wrote:
N (ame)., will you have this man/woman to be your husband/wife; to live together in the covenant of marriage? Will you love him/her, comfort him/her, honor and keep him/her, in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others, be faithful to him/her as long as you both shall live?


Thankfully, that's why we have a separation of church and state. Otherwise, you get hardcore Muslims making women walk around in combat fatigues, hardcore Christians abstaining from the "romance" part of a romantic relationship until the above marriage. Two people of the same sex being romantic getting stoned to death, the same for rape victims, and the list just goes on and on.

"Forsaking all others" can be interpreted in so many ways. I will forsake my children for my sexually abusive husband! I will forsake my friends for my emotionally insecure wife! The list goes on and on here too.


again, Daniel, FORCING people to do something they are not into doing is not the issue here. MAKING people do what they would not do willingly is not what this is about.

This is an AGREEMENT of what the two of them will give for the sake of the relationship. Neither of them have the upper hand on any of it. It is a meeting of the minds.

do you at least see the difference? even a little? :?

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06 May 2010, 8:47 am

Wow! I didn't realize this would get so hot!

Let me clarify something else. "DEFRIEND" is too strong a word. The SO wants me to DOWNGRADE the ex-crush to DISTANT FRIEND status so she can be the special woman in my life. That is quite understandable given the situation. What could very well be going on here is the because my confusion over emotions (yes, I have Asperger's) may make so that I don't understand how strong her feelings for me really are.

This ex-crush is effectively right now in the position of being a best friend (well, tied for best friend) who happens to be of the opposite gender. And you are correct, it is very hard for me to make new friends, and one of my acquaintances said that it would be unwise for me to downgrade anyone as a result.

Note that the ex-crush knows the SO and thinks we should all be mutual friends.

The SO is definitely jealous. For instance, the ex-crush told me that she had extra Red Sox tickets for me and the SO (her father has season tickets) and asked if we wanted them. I send the SO the message and she said she couldn't, plus...

"BTW, how did you find out about the Red Sox tickets? Did you call her? 'Cause I'd like you to not call her for a while."

As a matter of fact, I HADN'T called the ex-crush: she had written back to me after I had told her that the SO wanted me to back of a little. The ex-crush was very sad, by the way, when she heard that.

I almost feel like I'm getting scared of the SO, which is something I need to look out for because I have a reputation of getting scared very easily.

By the way, keep in mind the SO is going through a VERY difficult period right now. She just defended her Ph.D thesis and is going to be moving to Chile for a postdoc, separating from me. That's stressful enough.

Finally, consider this. I'm 38. I have Asperger's. I have never been in a romantic relationship before, and we all know how hard it is for Aspies to fall in love. I'm concerned that if this falls apart, I'll have blown the only chance I had for a romantic partner.


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06 May 2010, 9:01 am

^OP, did you actually bother to read the posts? Because your comments make it appear that you haven't.


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06 May 2010, 9:47 am

I'm reading through the posts right now. Looks like most of you are agreeing with the SO, which makes sense to me. But it's going to be hard to downgrade a friend.

Let me explain what I mean by friends of the family. The ex-crush's mother lives very near my parents by sheer coincidence, whereas the SO's family doesn't. At one point, the ex-crush (along with some other friends and the SO) were over for Passover. She discussed starting up a business venture and needed funds. My mother offered to help and managed to get her funds. The business got going and my mother wound up on the ex-crush's company's board of directors. The meetings were at the ex-crush's mother's house, so she met the mother and grew to like the mother.

My family hasn't met the SO's (rather large) extended family yet, but that's primarily because they don't live near her. They've met a couple of the SO's sisters though. My mother had offered to host a graduation party for the SO at my parents' place but that fell through because my family keeps Kosher and the SO's family wanted to bring pork in and so forth.


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06 May 2010, 10:53 am

^Thanks, OP - that explains it (cause it really didn't seem like you'd read the posts).


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06 May 2010, 4:15 pm

I think there is one thing here that people are not thinking of. The ex crush is not an ex girlfriend. I think there is a sort of mindset that girlfriends have, they think that everyone must perceive their boyfriends like they do, ie amazingly handsome. I have had girls get jealous when I was talking to their boyfriends but actually i had no interest whatsoever in their boyfriend, and they seemed to assume I would like the male because they did. These days I avoid other peoples boyfriends or husbands altogether.


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07 May 2010, 4:01 am

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Is this a perfect world, where you can be 100% sure that your SO won't cheat on you? Of course not. But if you've invested 3.5 years in someone, you should have a pretty good idea that that person is trustworthy.


Why do you say that? People cheat for years and no-one knows. Sometimes people don't cheat because they've got no-one ideal to cheat with at the time.

I personally think this guy is being selfish, and his partner has every right to complain. If my partner was spending a lot of time around a single woman who he says is a "better catch" and puts on a pedstal, I would not only hit the roof, I would most likely dump his selfish arse right away.



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07 May 2010, 4:07 am

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Nope, you're totally incorrect. A person can choose to be friends with whomever they wish, and if someone says otherwise, that's controlling behaviour, which comes under abuse. It doesn't matter if they're a dog, a female, a male, an ex, and/or whatever.


No, You've got no idea.

Suggesting your concerns for your parnter seeing someone as much as that, especially a crush, is NOTHING like saying "You can't be friends with so and so at all"



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07 May 2010, 4:10 am

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You'd be shocked. 8O

I don't bother to let things like that make me jealous anymore, because, as I said, I don't control the universe or other humans' behavior. Cheaters will cheat, no matter how vigilant you try to be, so why waste mental energy and make yourself miserable obsessing over that? Just don't get involved with someone you feel is that untrustworthy.

When I was a young punk yes, I was as insecure and jealous as the rest. But I now have relationships without concerning myself whether or not the SO has opposite gender friends or maintains cordial relationships with Exes. Believe it or don't, I don't care - but it's precisely what I mean by MATURITY. If you're still insecure enough to be worried by things like that, you're still IMMATURE yourself, believing that if the tables were turned YOU would be tempted to cheat, or you've picked a partner you don't trust. Either situation says more about the jealous person than it does about the victim of that petty emotion.


You have a point with your first paragraph.

I however disgaree with your second paragraph. Insecurity does not make someone "immature". Its natural to want to "defend" your territory regardless. I don't think caring is a sign of immaturity personally. You get young and old mentally mature people who do and don't care.



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07 May 2010, 4:11 am

Danielismyname wrote:
You're all still wrong people:
If you're willing to compromise for someone's irrational insecurity, that's your choice.


Its not irrational as I see it. Its perfectly rational. Why would you say her insecurity is irrational?



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07 May 2010, 4:14 am

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07 May 2010, 4:27 am

In a way I think it is up to the girlfriend to decide how much she is comfortable with the situation. It also depends how much feeling there is in the relationship, or is it just convenience? Why are you with her? Even if you do downgrade the girl to a distant friend it wont really solve the reasons why you ended up with the 2 girl situation.

I think it can be hard though to just be blak and white ometimes. Friends come into peoples lives and they can be either gender. The real question is, is that ex-crush a friend, or is she a potential girlfriend. If she is a potential girlfriend then that is not a good situation for anyone.


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