Guys -- who would you choose? (Alternate scenario)

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This one is a no brainer for me, I would choose Girl 1.

I find it easier to see past the weight than I suspect most guys do. Can I be bold enough to ask whether many people went for Girl 2 because of her physical qualities? If she was a Christian who forced her beliefs on me, it would be a strike against her (yet still not nearly enough for me not to choose her). As she's a Christian who doesn't force her beliefs, that's even better. I'd probably go along to church with her. She may be harsh during conversations, but on the other hand she isn't judgmental, so ultimately she's much easier to get along with. I have to say that Girl 1 wanting a monogamous relationship is the most important factor to me, though her personality helps too. For me there are too many strikes against Girl 2 i.e. she prefers open relationships and at the same time has so many guys waiting in the wings meaning a big chance of getting led into conflict. She smokes pot meaning that even though I wouldn't be persuaded to do drugs myself, I wonder what chance there is of getting in amongst a world of drugs with all the baggage that might carry. Her interpersonal relationships are very fleeting, making me feel almost certain the relationship with me would be the same. Knowing this I'd feel I'd be really wasting my time.

I've chosen no matter what, but have some questions purely out of interest, and who knows the answers may help others choose. Where do the two girls live, i.e. is it urban or rural, do they come from poor or affluent localities? Are they conservative or liberal? Is either of them bisexual?

Girl 1 comes from a lower-middle class family
Girl 2 comes from an upper-middle class family

Both Girl 1 and Girl 2 live in a town with around 300,000 people. Girl 2 lives in the suburbs, while Girl 1 resides in the inner city.

Girl 1 is politically unaffiliated. Morally, she leans towards the left. Politically she has no leans.

Girl 2 is also politically unaffiliated. Morally, she leans heavily towards the left. Politically she has no leans.

Neither Girl 1 or Girl 2 is bisexual.

Girl 1 is very non-judgmental as far appearances go. She's leans toward the emo/goth/punk crowd, and she prefers guys who dress interestingly and stand out of a crowd. She likes guys with spiky hair, though tattoos and piercings are a bit of a turn-off. She values kindness and close, personal relationships. Girl 1 is easy to get a date with, but difficult to start a relationship with. Monetarily, Girl 1 will be more of a provider than a recipient.


Girl 2 is attracted towards artistic guys. Girl 2 prefers the athletic type, and often likes the 'hippie' type. She prefers guys who are socially fluent, and who keep good care of their appearances, but this is less stressed than the other preferences. She's more selective than Girl 1. She values a free spirit and likes to have time to herself in relationships. Girl 2 is difficult to get a date with, but easier to start a relationship with. Monetarily, Girl 2 will be more of a recipient than a provider.

Nope, I'm afraid I have wronged you in my blanket and snarky accusation -- please accept my apologies. To be fair, I would say you are far from the typical Christian I run into, at least you're not the kind that thump their chest and make it known to everyone.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few that are like that. But most aren't. I don't know how equating all christians to fundamentalists got into your head, but that's the same line of thinking that spawned "all muslims are terrorists". I, for one, don't appreciate being generalized into the same group as those ignorant bible-thumpers...[/quote][/quote]

Yes, that's who I'm referring to, the Bible thumpers -- the people who make a big deal about being Christians or "Saved" -- Those are the folks that I have the problem with, and unfortunately, they are a pretty big voting block, as I'm sure any Presidential candidate from the past 20 years can tell you. It's because of those idiots that Bush got elected and that there are actual museums about "intelligent design." Very scary stuff for anyone that cares about the future of this country or who cares to learn lessons from History.

KRS: monogamy isn't natural for most of us. It's natural to be attracted to more than one person. The fact that Girl 2 is open to an open relationship is a huge plus, not a red flag. She wouldn't need to tell me about the other boys she hooks up with, though it would be good to hear.

I still don't understand how she only wants sex once a week though. That's ridiculously low. And I take it you would choose Girl 1?

I wouldn't fit either girl's preference, so no change in the other way round and whom I'd prefer. At least you did say Girl 1 is non-judgmental about appearances plus it's easier to get a foot in the door with her and at least get to the first stage, a date. Girl 2 is more sure of her preferences, while I don't fit either girl's preference Girl 2's preferences are even more circumscribed.

uh, have you looked at the BBW thread? women don't need to tell themselves that a significant number of guys will find them unattractive if they are fat - there are plenty of guys willing to say it to them (rather rudely, even).

when large women are confident, it does make them attractive to lots more men, but many men will exclude a big girl straightaway, without bothering to see the real person inside.

(the same things happens to overweight men also, but we are talking about women).

Okay, I'm sorry I got all pissy... i just get that way when I think that other people generalize about my religion. And people like me (christian, yet open-minded, accepting of scientific fact, etc) are much more common than you think... it's just that we're screwed over by a vocal minority (just like agnostics get screwed over by the likes of militants like Dawkins).

How do agnostics get screwed over by Dawkins? I'm agnostic and I love Dawkins and think he's making a positive difference. I'm a big fan. Just curious...

Because he drives a lot of the negative sentiment that people of faith have against agnostics. He's the athiest equivalent of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson, and as such, tends to be not well liked by even folks like me who are otherwise reasonable people who accept scientific fact, just as a moderate agnostic such as yourself would find the above mentioned christian extremists to be unbearable.

The point is, whether or not you argue for or against the existence of any deity, one should follow this commandment:



(sorry I only found it in shirt form, I had it somewhere where it was photoshopped onto a tablet)

id say girl 2 as long as she don't end up cheating on me we would be like a match made in the hypothetical heaven(im Agnostic Atheist) it would be great to have a smoking(pot only) buddy who im in a relationship with. we both enjoy video games and the outdoors(assuming we are talking wilderness outdoors) the biggest problem i saw is she drinks but i can work around that. girl 1 is too different from me and we would argue a lot mainly due to religion and the fact i smoke pot

I know right? Men have said many rude things to me throughout my life for my weight, mostly by people who didn't know me. *shrug* It doesn't really matter.

I read through this thread and I'm just amazed at the amount of judging going on in here. Why can't we all get along? :/

How is the 2 inch height difference pertinent exactly? Is number two supposed to be more attractive by virtue of shortness or is it the other way around?
I'd probably go with 2, because I despise the jersey shore/probably the hills(sounds familiar, but I'm not sure what it is) and find myself somewhat wary around religious folk.

^noting that if she likes these things she's probably into celebrity culture, which I can tolerate, but I just don't want to live around.

Neither is a particularly good fit though, tbh.

I don't dislike the idea of dating, but if these are the choices.... Actually, they are.
I won't date anyone who is religious. Psychotic delusions don't turn me on.
The interests of girl #1 don't ring any bells for me. I have no idea what she likes, which probably means that I won't like it.
Girl #2 sounds shallow and self-absorbed.
Nothing contained in the description of either woman seems at all appealing.

I want a woman who is:
Slightly taller than me,
My intellectual equal,
Insecure (but not emotionally dependent on others),
Introverted,
Irreverent of traditional gender roles (I can't be expected to provide for a family),
and most importantly, emotionally freaking stable.

Neither woman meets a single one of my criteria, except for girl #1 being slightly taller.

Judging is pretty much the point of this thread...