[Males only please] Would you marry a feminist?

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[Males only please] Would you marry a feminist?
Poll ended at 14 May 2014, 10:52 pm
Yes 57%  57%  [ 25 ]
No 43%  43%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 44

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13 May 2014, 2:29 pm

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Any decent human being should be a feminist. (in the original meaning as someone who believes that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities)

And therein lies the problem. Women's rights do need protecting. But so do those of the disabled, minority ethnics and gays. I would say that such a person is not a feminist, but a humanist: a believer in the worth of humanity and all humans. This is why I like the UK's recent overhauling of its disparate anti-discrimination legislation into one simple law: The Equality Act 2010.


That is a very good point. Attempts to obtain equality that are narrow and isolated often beget a pecking order.


yes, because everyone knows that people who self-identify as feminists care about women and NO OTHER GROUPS ALL. disabled, ethnic groups, gays--feminists don't care about you, they just want all the power for themselves so they can enslave men! yeehaw!! !! !! !! !! !!


True equality must have a broad enough scope to be fully inclusive. Narrowly scoped initiatives, by their nature, exclude some.


if you've ever done any reading on feminism or other types of activism, you would have come across this term: intersectionality.

for a good definition of it and how it effects feminism, check this out: Geek Feminism: Intersectionality

that is, if you care to learn about real feminism and real feminists, and not the "man-hating" straw man feminist that everyone here seems to insist most feminists actually are (even the ones who seem reasonable apparently are lying to me about it. :roll: ).


I'm not going to participate in turning this into a flame fest. I think the poll should continue and no one should bait the moderators into locking this thread.

If there were real objections to the representations of the so called "radicals," feminists would respond directly to them, rather than waiting for an inconvenient citation. If feminists widely believe they are being misrepresented, then the representation needs to change. Or, at least, publicly distance themselves from those representations.


what, you mean like many of the feminist women on this site are CONSTANTLY doing? i can't count how many conversations i have personally been in on this site in which i have felt the need to remind people over and over again that i am a feminist and those radicals do not represent me or my opinions. is that public enough for you? FFS.


Please note the "...If feminists widely believe...". While I don't doubt your personal position and I don't doubt that there are others like you, using preponderance in making some decisions is reasonable. The silence of most feminists constitutes passive ratification of the "radicals." Remember, many things in life are not a choice, but some are. Any political affiliation, such as being a feminist, is a personal political choice. So, a self-identifying feminist is a self-labeling feminist. I'll respectfully agree to consider you an exception.



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13 May 2014, 2:32 pm

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what, you mean like many of the feminist women on this site are CONSTANTLY doing? i can't count how many conversations i have personally been in on this site in which i have felt the need to remind people over and over again that i am a feminist and those radicals do not represent me or my opinions. is that public enough for you? FFS.


Please note the "...If feminists widely believe...". While I don't doubt your personal position and I don't doubt that there are others like you, using preponderance in making some decisions is reasonable. The silence of most feminists constitutes passive ratification of the "radicals." Remember, many things in life are not a choice, but some are. Any political affiliation, such as being a feminist, is a personal political choice. So, a self-identifying feminist is a self-labeling feminist. I'll respectfully agree to consider you an exception.


i wasn't aware that you actually knew most feminists personally and know for a fact that they are silent in such conversations about radical elements in the feminist movement. from now on i will take your perspective on feminists as fact because you obviously know more of them than i do. :roll:



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13 May 2014, 2:35 pm

Like so many other threads, this one has turned into a debate over definitions, scope of terms, and semantics. Well, those are important topics. However, the poll continues.



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13 May 2014, 3:11 pm

Face_of_Boo -- and you work in media, right, and you know how these things go?

OK, man. Don't say you didn't get the heads-up. It's no skin off my nose; not only am I functional enough to pass in university/arts contexts, but I'm not a guy, and I don't have an autistic son.



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13 May 2014, 3:22 pm

Feminists are a branch of egalitarianism, the same way that cancer research has branches dedicated to fighting specific cancers. No one moans at the skin cancer researchers because they are focusing on one type of cancer and not all cancers.



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13 May 2014, 3:33 pm

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Face_of_Boo -- and you work in media, right, and you know how these things go?

OK, man. Don't say you didn't get the heads-up. It's no skin off my nose; not only am I functional enough to pass in university/arts contexts, but I'm not a guy, and I don't have an autistic son.


Many of us are functional too, I have a master's degree and many here are programmers and even engineers.

you are not the only smarty here.



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13 May 2014, 3:44 pm

I've been watching the numbers. "Yes" seems to float around 60% and consequently "No" hovers around 40%. Maybe we can do some math. Does anyone know about what percentage of women are feminist?



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13 May 2014, 3:50 pm

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I've been watching the numbers. "Yes" seems to float around 60% and consequently "No" hovers around 40%. Maybe we can do some math. Does anyone know about what percentage of women are feminist?


Anyone with gender equal rights is by the true definition of the word is feminist, so basically most probably a majority too, about 60% and upward.



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13 May 2014, 4:07 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Face_of_Boo -- and you work in media, right, and you know how these things go?

OK, man. Don't say you didn't get the heads-up. It's no skin off my nose; not only am I functional enough to pass in university/arts contexts, but I'm not a guy, and I don't have an autistic son.


Many of us are functional too, I have a master's degree and many here are programmers and even engineers.

you are not the only smarty here.


I didn't say I was. But if you're a guy who's public or obvious about having AS, and part of the public "what is Asperger's" view is "has an offensive, stunted take on women," then you'll have to deal with that perception. I won't.



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13 May 2014, 4:07 pm

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I was wondering if male WP users find feminists attractive or not, or whether it is a total deal breaker.

both people in a relationship change over time so you might marry a feminist and become more chauvinist over time or marry a woman who does not identify as feminist who later becomes one.

Becoming a mother, being sidelined at work, getting older are all things which can make women re assess how they view feminism. Likewise becoming a father, career stuff etc can alter a mans views and preference in partner and lifestyle.



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13 May 2014, 4:13 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
SoftwareEngineer wrote:
I've been watching the numbers. "Yes" seems to float around 60% and consequently "No" hovers around 40%. Maybe we can do some math. Does anyone know about what percentage of women are feminist?


Anyone with gender equal rights is by the true definition of the word is feminist, so basically they probably a majority too 60% and upward.


I did a quick search. Ms Magazine and other feminist sources say that about 68% of total female voters in the USA during 2012 either self-identify or have opinions which fit the definition of feminist. However, the Washington Times says only 29% explicitly self-identify as feminist. In some cases, the exact questions were not published, so self-identify may be explicit or implicit. In any case, judging by tho poll proportions so far, there appears to be enough men willing to marry them.

What's most interesting is, from what I can tell, about half of the women who fit the advocacies definition of feminist do not explicitly self-identify. The term "feminist" appears to have become popularly tainted among women. Maybe that movement needs a fresh start with a new brand, as opposed to trying to redeem the old brand. Tainted terms are useless, at best. If so, with the new brand, then proportions of this poll might be different.



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13 May 2014, 4:14 pm

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Feminists are a branch of egalitarianism, the same way that cancer research has branches dedicated to fighting specific cancers. No one moans at the skin cancer researchers because they are focusing on one type of cancer and not all cancers.


Exactly!! All the other groups (gays, disabled people, minority, etc.) have their own activists to keep protecting/frighting for their rights.

Btw I can't see the results because being a woman I'm not allowed to vote. Discrimination!



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13 May 2014, 4:18 pm

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Feminists are a branch of egalitarianism, the same way that cancer research has branches dedicated to fighting specific cancers. No one moans at the skin cancer researchers because they are focusing on one type of cancer and not all cancers.


Exactly!! All the other groups (gays, disabled people, minority, etc.) have their own activists to keep protecting/frighting for their rights.

Btw I can't see the results because being a woman I'm not allowed to vote. Discrimination!


I don't think most people are against very focused advocacies and watchdogs, but laws and public policies are best designed and administered as broadly inclusive.



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13 May 2014, 4:29 pm

For those who can't see, at this point, these are the numbers:

Yes 56% [ 18 ]
No 43% [ 14 ]
Total Votes : 32

But, the polling isn't done.



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13 May 2014, 4:31 pm

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Btw I can't see the results because being a woman I'm not allowed to vote. Discrimination!


It's currently sitting at:
Yes 56% [ 18 ] (Really 17 because I ignored the rules and voted. Mwha ha ha)
No 43% [ 14 ]



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13 May 2014, 5:17 pm

Skin cancer campaigners don't try and demonise all humans because some humans have cancer. The term "feminist" has acquired all sorts of ugly connotations, specifically sexism directed at men, that in a just world, it wouldn't have. Of course, in a just world, sexism wouldn't exist. However, those connotations are precisely why I would never call myself a feminist.

Actually, I am not entirely happy about specific cancer campaigns at the expense of others. I am not sure of the ethics of doing that any more than I am sure about the appearance of feminism being a more important cause than gay rights (for example).

Whenever a particular form of campaign gets a lot of publicity, even good publicity, it gives the impression that its adherents are saying they are more important than other people who are oppressed/sick/whatever. While this impression is usually wrong, it sticks in the peoples' collective mind. In the same way, I have campaigned for a rational view of the word and call myself an atheist; however, I would never do so in person in the United States, because in that country the word has wrongly acquired all sorts of unfair baggage, just as the word "feminism" has.


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