People letting themselves go once in a relationship.

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Even if someone reduces their calorie count and doesn't workout at all will still benefit from weight loss. Buying a food scale would help greatly, but people don't want to put in 10 minutes a day dedicated to measuring food. If they can spend 10 minutes online, like on a chat forum for instance; they can spend ten minutes a day plugging in numbers.

Exactly, it's a mental barrier, people create procrastination and the word can't from the limitations in their mind.

Fears and limits are an illusion that people create, those fears create them to create barriers and obstacles which lead to excuse as to why they can't do something, why they can't challenge themselves or why they can't go to the gym.

I am passing no judgment upon anyone; we are talking about a social phenomena.

Why are you attacking me? No one is judging your body here nor anyone's body.

I love that whole strawman rhetoric about you trying to control women's bodies. You have as much a right to believe what you want and to choose a mate based on whatever criteria you like. That is nobody's business but your own.

My experience has been that overweight women were horribly insecure or they were overbearing. I'd rather be with someone more optimistic and confident, and I more often felt I got that with skinny women. Not saying overweight women are always mean and nasty or that skinny women never have issues, but such has been my experience.

Letting bodies go... I think our partners tend to influence us in more ways than we'd like to admit. I was with an oveweight girl for a long time and gained 35 lbs. over the course of the relationship. Because I was in the habit of poor eating choices, I gained yet another 35 over the next two years. I lived alone for a while and lost that, but it didn't stay gone. My wife put on a whopping 15 lbs. after having three children. I fasted for a little over a month for spiritual reasons and went from 234 to 152. I try to keep under 170, fast at least once a week, and walk 2.5 miles every day (I'd do more if I didn't have my 2 yo with me). My wife lost ALL of the baby weight by the time I finished fasting and it hasn't come back...not because I was controlling her, but because she wanted to support me and became more conscious of her own habits.

Point being what your partner does is going to influence what you do, and it's often easier to foster bad habits than good ones.

I don't even see where it is exactly someone is trying to influence someone else's body. While I was fasting, I told my wife repeatedly that this was a personal thing and she didn't have to change a thing. The choices she made in losing baby weight were entirely her own.

Even if you did have a problem with someone's weight and wanted to pass judgment, you have the right to do that. Not saying that's right or wrong, just saying it just IS. Nobody has the right to coerce you into changing your preferences.

Hah, I can see him saying that! It's one of my favorite movie characters of all time: Dr. King Schultz in Django Unchained -- and he'd be a lot more eloquent than I given the same situation.

This came up in another thread as well, it seems that vegetables in the US are more expensive than in the EU. I'm used to onions and tomatoes and carrots being practically free. Certainly much cheaper than pizza, frozen meals and waaaay cheaper than takeout food.

Yep, here in the Netherlands fruit and veggies (as well as diary) are quite cheap. I bought 10 large mangoes for 4 dollars the other day. 12 avocados for 3 dollars. A large bottle of milk for 70 cents. Whereas just 5 donuts cost 6 dollars here in the cheapest grocery store.

How exactly does talking on Facebook help a programmer, a teacher, an electrical engineer, a nurse, a secretary, or an insurance salesman?



In other words, it's still prevalent.



I never claimed to have any knowledge of it. Anyone can still eat less, and thus avoid getting fat--or use five hours of the 25 hours per week spent on Netflix to exercise.

I do not know any mothers who have time to watch a lot of television. I know a lot of mothers who've been meaning to have a good soak in the bath, but haven't had time, and if they do manage to have an early night they simply go to bed because they're exhausted.



Daycare isn't free in the Nordic countries either. The only difference is that healthcare (except for routine healthchecks, dentistry, and so on) is free--and that unemployment benefits are higher.

24 Hour Fitness has free childcare for paying members.



Child stipends in Europe are 100-200 dollars per child, and maternity leaves weren't paid until recently (never mind the fact that the EU is in a lot more sh!t than the US). As far as living costs go, a small apartment in Scandinavia is 400,000 dollars, a house is 700,000 dollars, and all Nordic countries are up to their neck in foreign debts (Iceland in particular).



Half the student debt of a Scandinavian--and with higher salaries and lower taxes.



If it's a vacation for most parents, then I wonder why so many parents my age find the time to go partying every weekend.



Massive checklists are a bad thing to bring on dates.

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if you actually read what i wrote, it's not an excuse as even though the healthier stuff is more expensive, it's still what i buy--it's just that, because it's so expensive, i don't have money for anything else once food is purchased. i am willing to make such an investment because i care about my health--but i happen to live in a place where disability benefits are (just) enough for a single person to eat healthy, so i have that option. some people cannot afford the option to eat healthy because they are too poor, that is a reality for them and cruel enough to endure without being cruelly judged by people like you for it. i also exercise regularly and am not overweight. so i'm not sure who you're talking to about excuses, but it isn't me, pal.

Cleaning a large house (vacuuming, cleaning the floors, etc.) is a two hour job, and not something you do everyday. Bills can be paid in five minutes online, and grocery shopping can be done in ten minutes on your way back from work--and you don't need to do that everyday either.



People enjoy the results of the workout, not the workout itself.



The kind that's delivered on your door.



Protein powder is the cheapest protein source there is, and highly efficient. Milk for 3$ per gallon is still much cheaper than any European country.

Here 1 kg of tomatoes is less than $1.
1 Kg of oranges around $1.

A $5-6 is enough to make a family size salad (or fruit salad, with native fruits only ofc; tropical are expensive).

Poor's food in ME is cheaper than the rich's, I've heard it's the opposite in the US.

I do intermittent fasting and I really hope it catches on as it was such a solution for me and Im sure it would be for others, its saves me loads and loads of money!! And fasting makes me feel tranquil and removes my social anxiety so makes me feel great too.

I heard about it through this horizon science documentary as it helps cancer, heart disease etc, so an all win.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... ive-longer

Kurgan, all you're doing is displaying more and more ignorance.

If you want to find out why people don't exercise more, even if they'd been in the habit when younger, then I invite you to go take over as parent for a month in an average American home. I suspect you'll be crying by the end of it and raging at how little time you have for yourself and for working out. You'll still work out, but you'll be so frikken exhausted that it won't be much of a workout, you won't dig deep and really feel it like you're used to. And some days you'll say fuckit, need sleep more.

There's a good deal of detail and complexity that are, in the end, controlling of how things go in people's lives, and you can't see them because you've never lived them. You're entitled to sit around making silly pronouncements about things you know nothing about, rather than asking questions and being respectful of people who actually have the experience and can talk about it, but you're going to come out time and time again with wrong, silly answers...and not even know how wrong and silly you sound.

I'd suggest going the route of asking the questions and listening respectfully and openmindedly.

Out of curiosity: What's your view of docs and therapists who are NT, have no ASD family members, don't have ASD clients, and feel fit to pronounce on what people with ASD can and should do?

CK: Because if you wander into a room criticising various women for getting fat, you're going to get that sort of reaction. You should note and remember this.

I wonder what she was smoking.