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06 Nov 2015, 4:54 pm

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No, and I don't believe most of what you see of 'love' is love, because humans are slaves to their instincts.

So much of it is vanity, take away the materialism and it breaks.

TBH, I think humans deserve each other, so maybe I do? They seem like a perfect fit, vain people for other vain people.


Yes, love can be a selfish and a vain reflection for approval..but there are also types of love that can be selfless and altruistic in nature. Many people choose to be vegetarian because they realize all life is equal and deserving of universal love, that is an altruistic act in itself.

I certainly do not measure or gain from people for what I can take from them..sure, some relationships are a mutually beneficial exchange that involve leverage but that is how relationships and allegiances work.

My father certainly was not a slave to his instincts when he worked every single day to provide for his family and many people have to make sacrifices every day because they realize the greater good of building something with a foundation. That is how a relationship works, why do you expect something for nothing or everything on a platter?


Because that's what real affection is, it doesn't demand anything in return, it just wants to be near, and all that a person requires for this kind of love is their proximity.

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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Corinthians 13:4, 13:5.


Unfortunately that kind of affection is extremely rare, because of our dependence on instinct.

Briffault's Law wrote:
The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers, Vol. I, p. 191


We can prop up our vanity as love as much as we want, in the end it's still just a thin layer of make-up that easily washes away.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:04 pm

I once read that Deja Vu is letting you know that you're on the right path in your life.

And say we do have one soul mate. What if my one soul mate was depressed at some point in his life before he was to meet me and committed suicide? Am I forever to be alone?

I do somewhat believe in the one soul mate thing - I think that is why there are so many divorces, people marry too quick the person they first meet and maybe if they would have waited then they would have ended up with their soul mate.


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06 Nov 2015, 5:07 pm

You said rare, not non-existent so you do believe in the ideology of soul mates and selfless love.

I am sure women walk around with a Robocop scanner analyzing what they can derive for the future of their family. :roll:

I don't doubt that lust can be instinctual but when it comes to long term relationships, humans are much more complex.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm

Klowglas wrote:
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No, and I don't believe most of what you see of 'love' is love, because humans are slaves to their instincts.

So much of it is vanity, take away the materialism and it breaks.

TBH, I think humans deserve each other, so maybe I do? They seem like a perfect fit, vain people for other vain people.


Yes, love can be a selfish and a vain reflection for approval..but there are also types of love that can be selfless and altruistic in nature. Many people choose to be vegetarian because they realize all life is equal and deserving of universal love, that is an altruistic act in itself.

I certainly do not measure or gain from people for what I can take from them..sure, some relationships are a mutually beneficial exchange that involve leverage but that is how relationships and allegiances work.

My father certainly was not a slave to his instincts when he worked every single day to provide for his family and many people have to make sacrifices every day because they realize the greater good of building something with a foundation. That is how a relationship works, why do you expect something for nothing or everything on a platter?


Because that's what real affection is, it doesn't demand anything in return, it just wants to be near, and all that a person requires for this kind of love is their proximity.

Corinthians 13:4,13:5 wrote:
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Corinthians 13:4, 13:5.


Unfortunately that kind of affection is extremely rare, because of our dependence on instinct.

Briffault's Law wrote:
The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers, Vol. I, p. 191


We can prop up our vanity as love as much as we want, in the end it's still just a thin layer of make-up that easily washes away.


Who is this Briffault character you speak of? :roll:


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06 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm

Humans are one of the most complex and peculiar species on earth, that's for sure.


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06 Nov 2015, 5:17 pm

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Humans are one of the most complex and peculiar species on earth, that's for sure.


Indeed, we could certainly lose ourselves in endless questions and curiosity. The world would be so boring if peculiar thinkers did not exist.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:31 pm

nurseangela wrote:
I once read that Deja Vu is letting you know that you're on the right path in your life.

And say we do have one soul mate. What if my one soul mate was depressed at some point in his life before he was to meet me and committed suicide? Am I forever to be alone?

I do somewhat believe in the one soul mate thing - I think that is why there are so many divorces, people marry too quick the person they first meet and maybe if they would have waited then they would have ended up with their soul mate.


Hmm, it could be that we have multiple soul mates through space and time, similar to a multiverse. If space and time separate two people, they could still think alike but never meet. It doesn't necessarily have to be a present or physical connection or bond.

Of course, people do rush into marriage with vague notions and unrealistic expectations but the divorces are related to the entitlement generation, in my opinion.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:46 pm

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I once read that Deja Vu is letting you know that you're on the right path in your life.

And say we do have one soul mate. What if my one soul mate was depressed at some point in his life before he was to meet me and committed suicide? Am I forever to be alone?

I do somewhat believe in the one soul mate thing - I think that is why there are so many divorces, people marry too quick the person they first meet and maybe if they would have waited then they would have ended up with their soul mate.


Hmm, it could be that we have multiple soul mates through space and time, similar to a multiverse. If space and time separate two people, they could still think alike but never meet. It doesn't necessarily have to be a present or physical connection or bond.

Of course, people do rush into marriage with vague notions and unrealistic expectations but the divorces are related to the entitlement generation, in my opinion.


Well now that's not very romantic. I want to meet my soul mate. I want it to be like.....
Romeo and Juliet!
Scarlett and Rhett!
(I can't think of a third one)


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06 Nov 2015, 5:49 pm

Tom and Jerry.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:52 pm

Tom Sawyer and Becky.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:54 pm

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I believe the term originates from the magic realism and romanticism of our biological desires..I do however believe that some people can think in parallel line with each other.

I definitely believe that people can experience deja vu as a result of parallel or alternative universes that they may have experienced and think alike.


Interesting. I know one person who often says the same thing I do at the same time, but it's not romantic and we're actually very different people.

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Klowglas wrote:
No, and I don't believe most of what you see of 'love' is love, because humans are slaves to their instincts.

So much of it is vanity, take away the materialism and it breaks.

TBH, I think humans deserve each other, so maybe I do? They seem like a perfect fit, vain people for other vain people.


Yes, love can be a selfish and a vain reflection for approval..but there are also types of love that can be selfless and altruistic in nature. Many people choose to be vegetarian because they realize all life is equal and deserving of universal love, that is an altruistic act in itself.

I certainly do not measure or gain from people for what I can take from them..sure, some relationships are a mutually beneficial exchange that involve leverage but that is how relationships and allegiances work.

My father certainly was not a slave to his instincts when he worked every single day to provide for his family and many people have to make sacrifices every day because they realize the greater good of building something with a foundation. That is how a relationship works, why do you expect something for nothing or everything on a platter?


I think it's often a combination. Humans aren't perfect, so our love won't be perfect either. We see and feel everything through the human lens no matter how good our intentions and values are, so I doubt that "divine love" that's perfectly pure is possible for us. The most we can do is aspire to kindness and reason.

In a material world, we have to deal with the material.



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06 Nov 2015, 6:14 pm

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Tom Sawyer and Becky.


You reminded me of this! I feel old now, so old. :cry: :cry:



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06 Nov 2015, 6:16 pm

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Tom and Jerry.


You ruined it for me Boo.


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06 Nov 2015, 8:09 pm

I did when I was with my 1st girlfriend but I haven't believed in them sense.


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06 Nov 2015, 8:10 pm

Um...Romeo and Juliet were love sick ridiculous teenagers who ended up dead through their own faults...Not the greatest love story ever.
How about Cloud and Tifa? Zack and Aeris? Tidus and Yuna? Syaoran and Sakura? Hideki and Chi? Fai and Kurogane? Wait...never mind. Cloud and Tifa are the only ones to really get a genuinely happy ending...


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07 Nov 2015, 9:11 am

Nocturnus wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
No, and I don't believe most of what you see of 'love' is love, because humans are slaves to their instincts.

So much of it is vanity, take away the materialism and it breaks.

TBH, I think humans deserve each other, so maybe I do? They seem like a perfect fit, vain people for other vain people.


Yes, love can be a selfish and a vain reflection for approval..but there are also types of love that can be selfless and altruistic in nature. Many people choose to be vegetarian because they realize all life is equal and deserving of universal love, that is an altruistic act in itself.

I certainly do not measure or gain from people for what I can take from them..sure, some relationships are a mutually beneficial exchange that involve leverage but that is how relationships and allegiances work.

My father certainly was not a slave to his instincts when he worked every single day to provide for his family and many people have to make sacrifices every day because they realize the greater good of building something with a foundation. That is how a relationship works, why do you expect something for nothing or everything on a platter?



I think love can not be seen completely in what people do. Love shows up as an energy, within actions. Its good to remain cautious about what love is, as so many cruel things happen which people claim they do because of love. I don't think love can be put into words.


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