Even medicine isn't helping me
AngelRho
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And no, it's not because I am strong and athletic like you keep wrongfully assuming about me that makes women run from me. I have underdeveloped muscles, I am out of shape, and according to your logic, I should have women lined up outside my bedroom door to have sex with me but that is not the case.
What do you think might happen if you regularly spent some time developing your muscles and getting yourself in shape?
Yeah, it’s something to think seriously about.
I have a 5k tomorrow in my hometown and expect to push it up to an 8-minute mile, which I’ve only done once before even though I wasn’t trying to (it was freakin’ COLD). With it being a short race, I’m easing up this week on my cardio and distance. Instead, I doubled up on swimming from last week and added a sets to my lifting routine for a grand total of 100 incline flies and 100 dumbbell presses. I’ll increase my weight to 25lb in about 3 weeks. I am fasting today and will fuel up first thing tomorrow morning before the race—rolled oats for breakfast and a gel 5 minutes before start time. I probably don’t need it, but with the heat I’m taking no chances.
My routine is lightweight compared to the meatheads I normally see and I’m not ashamed to be the resident hardgainer. The moobs clearly aren’t going away. But my chest is noticeably bigger and the shoulders/upper arms are showing some improvement as well. People look and talk to me differently now. I don’t know if it’s really that much a change in appearance or if I’m just becoming more confident, but it’s different for sure.
I started out with short sets on 15lb dumbbells. That was back in September. That means it will have taken 9 months just to add 10lbs. My goal is to develop my muscles to be a stronger swimmer. I’m worried more about muscle mass right now, and speed will come later the closer I get to being triathlon-ready. I don’t really care how it looks, but I’m just saying even if you happen to be a hardgainer like me, you’ll be amazed when you find out what you’re really capable of. You’ll get a good sense of confidence, and you’ll get people’s attention. You have to be dedicated, though, and if you accept being a hardgainer you won’t put unreasonable pressure on yourself to perform like the rest of the meatheads. ANY gains you make will make you feel good about what you’re doing, and it will add up over time.
Besides, even the meatheads experience diminishing returns. It’s just how the human body is made. They look like they do because they are patient and set measurable, attainable goals. I asked a guy once when this gets easy. I’m pressing 20lbs while his “warmup” is curling 35. His answer? “Never.”
The first thing you notice is the “Novice Effect.” You get this thick, toned muscle that tricks you into thinking you’ll be a meathead by Christmas. Then you start piling on weight while nothing happens except you stay sore all the time. That’s when you want to quit. The trick is to back off your weight and work on power and endurance. Once you adjust, add weight and start over. It takes a long time for most of us, but it WILL HAPPEN.
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The other thing is that exercise is literally an effective treatment for depression and keeps your brain from physically shrinking.
There’s a reason that fit people seem to have it all.. fitness, health, happiness etc - they all complement each other.
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The problem is that he's looking in the wrong place.
He doesn't need medication - he needs revelation.
His focus has him depressed where he feels like he needs meds - but if his viewpoint was changed, medication wouldn't be necessary.
He isn't screwed like he thinks he is.
He's been looking at the wrong women (which are the majority)
If he looks in the right spot, his problem is solved.
Define "wrong place" and the "right spot". Those are extremely vague notions and our outlooks on both matters are likely going to differ.
What patterns have you noticed in all the women who brushed you off?
They just don't seem interested in keeping a conversation going no matter what I do.
And no, it's not because I am strong and athletic which you keep wrongfully assuming about me that makes women not interested in me. I have underdeveloped muscles, I am out of shape, and according to your logic, I should have women lined up outside my bedroom door to have sex with me but that is not the case.
I have to take medicine because I was born into a sick culture and people like you insist it's because I am not telling myself I am a worthless sinner that I struggle.
I think you have a great degree of difficulty following my logic.
I also never implied you were worthless, and I think I've also implied in the past that being a sinner is irrelevant.
You seem to see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.
My understanding of the Bible and God is completely different from that of your local culture, yet you tune that out.
Only Darwinism/Evolution implies that you are worthless - but you keep tuning that fact out also, because you would rather cling to it.
In any case, I believe you'll keep tuning out those facts, so I'll get more to the point and ask you this:
Do you think the girls who brushed you off were intelligent in their decision, or no?
Do you feel you are worthy of their attention and attraction or unworthy?
I think you have a great degree of difficulty following my logic.
I think I understand it perfectly.
He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out.
You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this.
You are strong, you are fast, you are smart.
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
I have weak muscles and I struggle to run without burning out but according to your logic, I should be swimming in sex while my younger brother, who is athletic and has a college university degree, should be unmarried and childless but the opposite is true.
It's only the zombiefied redneck women, ghetto "b*****s" (As they call themselves), brainwashed hyper religious religious women, and general Wal-Mart Bible Belt women who are going for redneck men, jocks, thugs, and bad boys. I see intellectual guys with girls quite often but they have to fight through the Bible Belt's social structures to become successful. Unfortunately, my hands were smashed before they could develop.
I can say the same about you when it comes to the theory of evolution and belief systems you falsely label as "Satanic".
All I've seen from you is the usual stock Bible Belt beliefs that "Evolution is just a theory.", "Atheists are devil worshippers.", "Wicca is Satanic.", and "Catholics aren't real Christians." that all stand on weak legs.
No, it doesn't. That's another misconception about Darwinian evolution. Even lower ranking wolves and chimpanzees still mate and have offspring. They just don't bear as much as the higher ranking males do.
One of the girls who rejected me did it because she said I wasn't Christian but yet she was having premarital sex with guys simply because they themselves said they were Christian. Go figure.
Unlike some religions, evolution theory says nothing about good/bad, worthy/worthless in any moral sense of these words. Evolution theory is just an explanation of how evolution works and has nothing to do with right or wrong in a moral sense, with good or bad in a moral sense or with worthy or worthless in a moral sense. From a moral standpoint it doesn't tell you how you should treat other people or how you deserve to be treated. At most it is part of the explanation for how you treat others or how you are treated.
It's an explanation. It's not some moral code and it doesn't tell you what you should do or what you should base your feeling of self-worth on.
"I have weak muscles and I struggle to run without burning out but according to your logic, I should be swimming in sex while my younger brother, who is athletic and has a college university degree, should be unmarried and childless but the opposite is true."
Except... that's not at all what she meant.
Her comment was about her autistic brother who is conventionally what may be considered physically attractive, and yet EVEN HE has issues with dating.
The issue is a deficit in communication. Autism is a communication disorder. If you can't effectively communicate with others, you WILL have a problem with connecting with others, even if you're tall, muscled and good with Karate.
I'm not even going to comment on women in "your area" because as it has been said before, you live in a region of roughly a half million people, with several universities nearby. You obviously can't possibly know everyone there. Additionally, as it has also been mentioned before, if you don't like where you live, make the necessary changes to move to a region you do like: work on your degree, get a better job, and move away.
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Agreed Autism makes it difficult to communicate-
and figure out how to socialize- and the intricacies of social stuff—
that’s what keeps us down.
I wish we could All communicate in Writing in everyday life except I know lots of Autistics can’t write ...
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Except... that's not at all what she meant.
You clearly didn't read my post. She assumed I was the same as her brother and she has this strange world view that women are choosing overweight, substance addicted, and hostile men over fit and intelligent men.
She assumed my younger brother was overweight and close minded but that isn't the case at all. What I quoted wasn't her entire post.
No Mark, I did read your post:
Shygirl wrote: My brother, who is also Autistic, is tall, with muscles and is a First Degree Black-Belt in Shotokan Karate. He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet. Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out. You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this."
(I left out the evolution stuff because I couldn't care less to argue about the bible and it's completely meaningless to this conversation anyway.)
Mark wrote: I have weak muscles and I struggle to run without burning out but according to your logic, I should be swimming in sex while my younger brother, who is athletic and has a college university degree, should be unmarried and childless but the opposite is true. It's only the zombiefied redneck women..." etc., etc., etc."
So what I'm hearing is you're arguing evolution. What I'm hearing from her is that her brother is muscular, conventionally attractive BUT he's autistic. You're underdeveloped, overweight and autistic. You both have difficulty. And there's one thing in common. You're autistic. You have communication issues.
Those ghetto thugs, etc., etc. you're constantly moaning about are NOT autistic. They're able to communicate on an NT level with other NTs. They may be everything you hate, but the one thing they DON'T have is they don't have a communication issue.
What did I miss and what am I not understanding?
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What did I miss and what am I not understanding?
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
Then why is my fit younger brother the one with a child while I can't get a date?
I also stated I didn't quote her whole post about her nonsensical world view because I thought what I quoted was enough but it apparently wasn't.
The fossil record isn't just layers of bones. It shows the natural progressuon of life throughout Earth's history. Evidence for speciation has also been observed: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... evolve-etc
My dear, if Evolution were a real thing - you would have a girlfriend.
Evolution right now is essentially a very popular religion.
I read Darwin's Origin Of Species when I was 10, and I loved it.
I espoused and defended Evolution for years amongst my peers - until I started to see the holes in the Theory.
I saw that Darwin espoused a theory in which Human females are genetically-predisposed to be attracted to the fittest of the species. (Strongest, fastest, smartest)
My brother, who is also Autistic, is tall, with muscles and is a First Degree Black-Belt in Shotokan Karate.
He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out.
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this.
You are strong, you are fast, you are smart.
And yet the women around you are reproducing with men whose kidney's are approaching failure due to overconsumption of alcohol.
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
This, is referred to, as a contradiction.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
The reason you choose to support Evolution is understandable - because you have grown to hate the people who believe (ironically, correctly) that Evolution is false.
You understandably reject Christianity and support Evolution, because of your experience with them.
However - if Evolution was real - then that would validate their opinions of you being a failure, because they have been successful with reproduction and you have not.
If Evolution is real, then you are Genetically-Unfit and all your worst fears about yourself are validated through Darwin's theory.
If God is real, then you have untapped potential and God has been waiting for you to allow Him to show you everything you truly are.
Those ghetto thugs, etc., etc. you're constantly moaning about are NOT autistic. They're able to communicate on an NT level with other NTs. They may be everything you hate, but the one thing they DON'T have is they don't have a communication issue.
I think I have good reasons to not want to associate with them. Why would I want to be friends with people who constantly called me "fa***t", "p****", and that I was never going to "get laid"?
Why do you think that might be?
I've been told my face looks grumpy because I don't smile a lot but I have seen guys with angry glares with girlfriends and they'll also shout "Shut up, b***h!" to them. Admittedly, I have a soft voice due to not using my diaphragm in speech very often but I also see guys with larynxes full of cigarette smoke with girlfriends so that confuzes me.
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Not to be a jerk pointing this out.. but obviously that was a little white lie and she was trying to be polite in rejecting you without saying something hurtful about why she wasn't attracted to you.
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Not to be a jerk pointing this out.. but obviously that was a little white lie and she was trying to be polite in rejecting you without saying something hurtful about why she wasn't attracted to you.
Yeah. That's a brush off. That's like someone saying they're not ready for a relationship "right now." It just means they're not interested in you. It's just something to say instead of saying they're not attracted to you.
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Mark wrote: I think I have good reasons to not want to associate with them. Why would I want to be friends with people who constantly called me "fa***t", "p****", and that I was never going to "get laid"?
So this happened recently or this happened in high school?
You're almost 30 so I'm skeptical that there are people actively saying things like this to you. I think you hang on to the past.
As for the evolution stuff, that's an entirely separate issue that I won't even discuss. I don't believe in the bible and I'm of a scientific mind. I'm also a believer that there are traits that are attractive to other humans and having an autism disorder affects some of those traits.
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Not to be a jerk pointing this out.. but obviously that was a little white lie and she was trying to be polite in rejecting you without saying something hurtful about why she wasn't attracted to you.
This wasn't a one time deal. I knew this person long before I expressed attraction to her. She's the older sister of someone who goes to the same support group as I do and their family is crazy religious. This is before I truly understood how sick the Bible Belt really is. She was not being polite at all. She called me an embarrassment and said it herself me not being a Christian was a bad thing.
You're almost 30 so I'm skeptical that there are people actively saying things like this to you. I think you hang on to the past.
Yes, it has happened recently. I work in the old side of the city where I live in and there are a lot of ghetto areas as well as redneck hangouts.
